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Dadrik said:
Halo 4: release 2012
Halo 4 GOTY: release 2013
Halo 4 (MCC): release 2014


Wow, triple dipping hurrdurrphurr


Thats from 2012 to 2014. TLOU had all three within one year. big diferenec. By the way the games i fantastic. The dlc left behind was good but nothing special. 



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dane007 said:
Dadrik said:
Halo 4: release 2012
Halo 4 GOTY: release 2013
Halo 4 (MCC): release 2014


Wow, triple dipping hurrdurrphurr


Thats from 2012 to 2014. TLOU had all three within one year. big diferenec. By the way the games i fantastic. The dlc left behind was good but nothing special. 

2.5 years actually.



Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are necessarily right.

Dadrik said:
dane007 said:
Dadrik said:
Halo 4: release 2012
Halo 4 GOTY: release 2013
Halo 4 (MCC): release 2014


Wow, triple dipping hurrdurrphurr


Thats from 2012 to 2014. TLOU had all three within one year. big diferenec. By the way the games i fantastic. The dlc left behind was good but nothing special. 

2.5 years actually.

Um tlou was released june 2013 and now its 29/102014. you do the maths sir. It was 2.5 years old, then  we would be towards the end of 2015 lol. its  close 1  year and 5 months and we had re versions of the game , which is different to halo ones



dane007 said:

Um tlou was released june 2013 and now its 29/102014. you do the maths sir. It was 2.5 years old, then  we would be towards the end of 2015 lol. its  close 1  year and 5 months and we had re versions of the game , which is different to halo ones


I meant 1.5 years actually, typo, my bad



Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are necessarily right.

Dadrik said:
dane007 said:

Um tlou was released june 2013 and now its 29/102014. you do the maths sir. It was 2.5 years old, then  we would be towards the end of 2015 lol. its  close 1  year and 5 months and we had re versions of the game , which is different to halo ones


I meant 1.5 years actually, typo, my bad


lol algd. wouldn't it be cheaper to buy the game now with the left behind dlc? then buying the GOTY edition?



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dane007 said:
Dadrik said:
dane007 said:

Um tlou was released june 2013 and now its 29/102014. you do the maths sir. It was 2.5 years old, then  we would be towards the end of 2015 lol. its  close 1  year and 5 months and we had re versions of the game , which is different to halo ones


I meant 1.5 years actually, typo, my bad


lol algd. wouldn't it be cheaper to buy the game now with the left behind dlc? then buying the GOTY edition?


Not where I live. TLOU PS3 is 30€, Left Behind is 10-15€, and the MP DLCs are about 15€ for the whole, if I'm not mistaken.

So the GOTY Edition is a pretty decent deal, since it costs 40€



Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are necessarily right.

BraLoD said:

Hahaha that's TLOU for you xD
It still couldn't take my top 1 from LoD, well, it's a 20 years story against an 11,000+ years one
But it went over anything else I've played aside from that.
And what about Red Dead Redemption, have you tried it too? IMO is the only game that can hold a candle to TLOU in this gen, even with the amazing Demon's Souls and GTA 5 as competitors. If not, go get and play it, and if you like it get the Zombie DLC too, it's amazing as else.

And don't care about thophies man, play the game to have fun and while you are enjoying to do it, don't go after this kind of stuff unless you are really without anything else to play.

Yes i played Red Dead Redemption... well sort of played it, you see i bought the game that had the zombie expansion on it and it turned out that it only contained the zombie expansion with some online dlc and NOT the whole game... (and that cost me 60 bucks... i was so angry...) i still played it for hours and was really entretained by it, that being said way before buying the game i had a friend who told me about the whole story and he spoiled me everything about the ending... so i basically know how good the game is in terms of story and gameplay, since i played the game just not the entire game... its good but sadly im not a fan of western cowboys and stuff like that.

and about the trophies yes you are right, i should only play it to have fun and im gonna try and do so, its just that i tend to be to much of a completionist (especially with games that i really like), but im gonna try and get over that.



KLAMarine said:
BraLoD said:

There's no denying the impact TLOU has left on the people who played it. I can't say the same for COD 4.
Sorry

I'm certain TLoU has left an impact on people: the story is very very well done and that would certainly appeal to people who care more about story than gameplay. I'm just saying a title as heavy as "Game of the Generation" should belong to a game which's influence is very obvious upon the industry.


Influnece doesnt equal quality. 'Best' game of the generation should be called GOTG, not the most influental one, if such thing even exists



estebxx said:

first of all The Last of Us was reviewed and praised by OVER 200 critics, (of magazines, websites etc) and yet on that page there only 43 reviews for it, were is the rest? also Super Mario Galaxy was reviewed by 97 critics (which is a lot, and it really is the best mario game and imo one of the best games of ALL TIME) but did it got OVER 200 Near to perfect or Perfect Scores and Game of The Year Awards like TLOU?

I researched on Metacritic and i only found 73 reviewers for it, and imo TLOU isnt reviewed by 200 critics on Metacritic either but thankfully Naughty Dog let us know the actual amount of GOTYs that it recieved something that Nintendo didnt do for SMG, so its really hard without the actual information to argue which is the most aclaimed game of both.

A game with over 200 goty awards can still be flawed i.e. a game with an average of 9.2 or 9.8 can still win goty seeing as how the title is relative.

Btw, you ask where the rest of the reviews are, TLoU and TLoU:R has a combined review count of 110 on gamerankings currently.

estebxx said:

The second thing that i have to say about this is that: that page you linked us (gamerankings) is a joke... come on if you are going to RANK games you must give them the same ammount of reviews for each game, it is unfair for a game to only have 28 reviews and then for another to have over 70, of course the one with less reviews is going to have an advantage in getting a more perfect score (i bet you that if all of those games were reviewed by 100 critics each, the list would change dramatically), i mean GTA IV, ARKHAM CITY, MASS EFFECT 2, SOUL CALIBUR better than The Last of US??? LOL COME ON SON!

You seem to think that the number of reviews a game gets confers some sort of advantage but that is not the case. Gamerankings calculates the average: review count is irrelevant when taking the average.

estebxx said:

Heck Uncharted 2 might be a great game but it isnt better than The Last of Us either....

I happen to think U2 is ND's best work yet. Great game and, among other things, it's not as formulaic as The Last of Us.

estebxx said:

the AI in this game is some of the best out there, especially the enemy AI and how great and challenging it becomes with the higher difficulties (heck the clickers agro just by hearing you reload), i normally would try to understand someones point of view and respect it but in this case im sorry thats just not true.

I'm going to link you to two videos: the first is by a YouTube user by the name of Matthewmatosis that actually tackles the game as a whole and addresses the AI. It's a long video but watch from 6:22 to 10:45 to hear his insight on the AI which pretty much reflects my feelings on the AI as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhRFWSmFGg

And here's another video by a YouTube user named HyperBitHero who spends more time on the AI and how it disappointed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF0EaH73ee4

estebxx said:

i can assure you that i myself had no problems with the AI and neither did BraLod and you know who else didnt had problems with the AI? the Over 200 critics that praised the game, and neither did the youtubers that reviewed the game (AngryJoe, ProJared etc), if the Enemy AI was really flawed it would have NEVER gotten over 200 GOTYs, it would have never gotten the ammount of perfect and near to perfect scores that it got from critics and it wouldnt be praised by so many gamers as it is right now, (after all FLAWED AI and GAMEPLAY is something that would break a game and make it not fun at all).

Again, just because it has so many gotys does not mean it wasn't flawed. It may just so happen that the people who awarded TLoU a goty valued story moreso than gameplay. I'm just someone who values gameplay more than story hence why some of my all-time favorite games are not my favorite because of their story. TLoU has a well-done story and the bonding between Joel and Ellie is nothing short of memorable but the enemy AI was a letdown and it impacted gameplay.

estebxx said:

heck if anything the AI is some of the stuff that i have heard gotten praises for in the game, not just the enemy AI but ellie as well, for a lot of people she is possibly the best NPC-Companion ever made.

Her AI was good particularly during quieter moments in the game when she's whistling and interacting with Joel and her environment. It's during the combat sequences however that her AI starts to show blemishes.

estebxx said:

Im sure you are going to reply with some of you very heavily opinion based claims of how the AI and Gameplay are "Flawed", but you know what? i dont care

You shouldn't care. My opinion should have no impact on your enjoyment of TLoU, I was simply responding to BraLOD's claim:

BraLoD said:

If there was to be one Game of the Generation, it would go, without a single doubt, to The Last of Us, as it was the most critically acclamed game of the generation, and possibly in the history of gaming.

 

estebxx said:

i dont care because i played the game and i know for a fact that aint true, and all the critics, media and the overwhelming mayority of gamers seem to agree with me.

Lastly, you should avoid argumentum ad populum arguments. Just because many people believe something to be true doesn't make it true.



KLAMarine said:

estebxx said:

first of all The Last of Us was reviewed and praised by OVER 200 critics, (of magazines, websites etc) and yet on that page there only 43 reviews for it, were is the rest? also Super Mario Galaxy was reviewed by 97 critics (which is a lot, and it really is the best mario game and imo one of the best games of ALL TIME) but did it got OVER 200 Near to perfect or Perfect Scores and Game of The Year Awards like TLOU?

I researched on Metacritic and i only found 73 reviewers for it, and imo TLOU isnt reviewed by 200 critics on Metacritic either but thankfully Naughty Dog let us know the actual amount of GOTYs that it recieved something that Nintendo didnt do for SMG, so its really hard without the actual information to argue which is the most aclaimed game of both.

A game with over 200 goty awards can still be flawed i.e. a game with an average of 9.2 or 9.8 can still win goty seeing as how the title is relative.

Btw, you ask where the rest of the reviews are, TLoU and TLoU:R has a combined review count of 110 on gamerankings currently.

if a game has FLWAED GAMEPLAY AND AI it would be not fun to play and it should never recive a single GOTY afterall gameplay is the most important aspect of a game

estebxx said:

The second thing that i have to say about this is that: that page you linked us (gamerankings) is a joke... come on if you are going to RANK games you must give them the same ammount of reviews for each game, it is unfair for a game to only have 28 reviews and then for another to have over 70, of course the one with less reviews is going to have an advantage in getting a more perfect score (i bet you that if all of those games were reviewed by 100 critics each, the list would change dramatically), i mean GTA IV, ARKHAM CITY, MASS EFFECT 2, SOUL CALIBUR better than The Last of US??? LOL COME ON SON!

You seem to think that the number of reviews a game gets confers some sort of advantage but that is not the case. Gamerankings calculates the average: review count is irrelevant when taking the average.}

you didnt understand my point, here allow me to explain it better:

the avarage is from the amount of reviews (thats what im talking about) if you ask 4 guys if they liked Uncharted 2, most of them will probably say yes but if you ask 100 or 1000 you are gonna get a very different answer, (more close to the true actual quality of the game). thats why the bigger the sample the better the results reflect the opinion of the population.

so a game with more reviews has a harder time maintening a good score while other games get it easier with just 20 or so reviews.

estebxx said:

Heck Uncharted 2 might be a great game but it isnt better than The Last of Us either....

I happen to think U2 is ND's best work yet. Great game and, among other things, it's not as formulaic as The Last of Us.

Understandable and respectable opinion.

estebxx said:

the AI in this game is some of the best out there, especially the enemy AI and how great and challenging it becomes with the higher difficulties (heck the clickers agro just by hearing you reload), i normally would try to understand someones point of view and respect it but in this case im sorry thats just not true.

I'm going to link you to two videos: the first is by a YouTube user by the name of Matthewmatosis that actually tackles the game as a whole and addresses the AI. It's a long video but watch from 6:22 to 10:45 to hear his insight on the AI which pretty much reflects my feelings on the AI as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhRFWSmFGg

And here's another video by a YouTube user named HyperBitHero who spends more time on the AI and how it disappointed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF0EaH73ee4

AHHHH OK... so basically the companion AI is "flawed" because the enemy cant see them while Joel is hidding, thats actually a DESIGN choice rather than a "FLAW", afterall do you understand how incredibly HARD the game would be if the enemy could see your companions? it would be rather impossible, at least the stealth element of the game would be useless.

i for once never cared about that since i didnt got into any immersion breaking experience like ellie bumping into enemys while you are hidding, something that im quite sure the reviewer intended to generate, by hidding on spots that leaved ellie with no place to hide (in order to show his point), but that for me isnt a FLAW its more of a DESIGN choice, and it never bothered me and im quite sad that such a thing bothered you

and now about the enemy AI i never found a single enemy to behave in a wrong unnatural or stupid way, (like the ones showed on the video) and what can i say? im sorry i got nothing all of i can think of is that those must be some really weird and rare cases since the reviews that i read mentioned nothing of this and neither the ones that i saw (Angry Joe, ProJared or the guy from Jimquisition,) maybe that would explain why so little people belive there are "problems" with the game when so MANY can assure there are none.

the point remains that if the AI and Gameplay was truly flawed it would be a big thing, that would have given the game a lot of BAD PR and it wouldnt be held as a good game (or a great game for the matter), so i strongly belive those must be some very RARE cases, since i myself and everyone else didnt came across a flawed AI or Flawed Gameplay.

estebxx said:

i can assure you that i myself had no problems with the AI and neither did BraLod and you know who else didnt had problems with the AI? the Over 200 critics that praised the game, and neither did the youtubers that reviewed the game (AngryJoe, ProJared etc), if the Enemy AI was really flawed it would have NEVER gotten over 200 GOTYs, it would have never gotten the ammount of perfect and near to perfect scores that it got from critics and it wouldnt be praised by so many gamers as it is right now, (after all FLAWED AI and GAMEPLAY is something that would break a game and make it not fun at all).

Again, just because it has so many gotys does not mean it wasn't flawed. It may just so happen that the people who awarded TLoU a goty valued story moreso than gameplay. I'm just someone who values gameplay more than story hence why some of my all-time favorite games are not my favorite because of their story. TLoU has a well-done story and the bonding between Joel and Ellie is nothing short of memorable but the enemy AI was a letdown and it impacted gameplay.

The reviews i read (Metacritic) and the reviews i saw on Youtube (AngryJoe, ProJared etc) praised both the gameplay and AI... not everyone values a story over gameplay it would be near impossible to mantain an over 95 review score if the gameplay was flawed, do you seriously think people would tolerate that?. that every single person would tolerate that?. when the GAMEPLAY is the most important element in a GAME?

estebxx said:

heck if anything the AI is some of the stuff that i have heard gotten praises for in the game, not just the enemy AI but ellie as well, for a lot of people she is possibly the best NPC-Companion ever made.

Her AI was good particularly during quieter moments in the game when she's whistling and interacting with Joel and her environment. It's during the combat sequences however that her AI starts to show blemishes.

she actually kills the enemy if you just standby doing nothing... she is the most competent companion i have had, in any other games your companions pretend to fight while they just wait for you to kill the enemys. and the same can be said for Bill, Tess and the other companions you get on the game.

estebxx said:

Im sure you are going to reply with some of you very heavily opinion based claims of how the AI and Gameplay are "Flawed", but you know what? i dont care

You shouldn't care. My opinion should have no impact on your enjoyment of TLoU, I was simply responding to BraLOD's claim:

if you are gonna quote me then quote the WHOLE THING since right after that i explain why i dont care, here you are just making it seem like i am being a jerk just for the fun of it. (and your opinion doesnt affect my enjoyement of TLOU, in fact i dont even know how you got to that conclusion...)

BraLoD said:

If there was to be one Game of the Generation, it would go, without a single doubt, to The Last of Us, as it was the most critically acclamed game of the generation, and possibly in the history of gaming.

 

estebxx said:

i dont care because i played the game and i know for a fact that aint true, and all the critics, media and the overwhelming mayority of gamers seem to agree with me.

Lastly, you should avoid argumentum ad populum arguments. Just because many people believe something to be true doesn't make it true.

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yes, i strongly belive in that, but you see i spent a year waiting for the GOTY edition before playing this game and i saw everyone gush and praise this game to the heavens and beyond (i thought it was actually a little overhyped), but then i finally played it and it manage to surppass my expectations, so in this case that doesnt apply here because the game showed me that it actually deserved the praise.


also the stronger reason why i KNOW that the gameplay and AI isnt flawed is not because people say it, its because i PLAYED THE GAME for over 15 hours and never did i ever came across FLAWED AI OR GAMEPLAY. (i didnt let peoples opinion influence me, i played the whole game and formulated an opinion of my own).

which really makes me belive that those cases (like the ones on the videos) must be some really rare cases, because that is NOT how the AI normally behaves in the game.


sorry for making it like that (its kind of hard to read) but i dont know how to divide the Quotes as you did on your Post, so again sorry for that.