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kljesta64 said:
Leadified said:
kljesta64 said:


again this evolution is fact nonsense.

show me one proof where one 'species' a fish for example evolved into another 'species'  an ape,dog,chihuahua,human...

Go back and reread my post, click the links and read what is there and do some research on evolution before you ask questions like this.

you dont even know what a fact means so please dont tell me what to do..you should do some more research yourself and by that I mean ask yourself some questions and try to find the answer instead of reading questions and just reading the anwers.

Uh yeah buddy whatever helps you sleep at night.



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Soriku said:
kljesta64 said:

Leadified said:

 Evolution is accepted by virtually every scientist in the Western world and is defined as a fact. 

 


again this evolution is fact nonsense.

show me one proof where one 'species' a fish for example evolved into another 'species'  an ape,dog,chihuahua,human...


You're not going to have modern day fish evolve into modern day apes, dogs, etc. They're on a different branch.

Even if it happened, it would take much longer than the the average human lifespan of 70-80 years. So even if it could happen, you wouldn't be alive to see it, and so you wouldn't believe in it.

We've already seen changes happening in bacteria and fruit flies FYI. Given enough changes, enough diversity (mutations and natural selection), and enough time, new species can form.


Man, God is God, the Almighty, the King of Glory, the Everlasting, the Father of Truth, the Alpha and Omega.

Do not compare the Lord with your phony "science" full of lies.

Do not think He is a form of Evolution. There is dust still cause He created us, not made us evolve from whatever.

You believe we came from nothing, I believe in God. Both religion, the diference is that you think you are very smart for believing that.

My belief, in other hand, makes me humble, for I know who is my maker.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Leadified said:
kljesta64 said:
Leadified said:
kljesta64 said:


again this evolution is fact nonsense.

show me one proof where one 'species' a fish for example evolved into another 'species'  an ape,dog,chihuahua,human...

Go back and reread my post, click the links and read what is there and do some research on evolution before you ask questions like this.

you dont even know what a fact means so please dont tell me what to do..you should do some more research yourself and by that I mean ask yourself some questions and try to find the answer instead of reading questions and just reading the anwers.

Uh yeah buddy whatever helps you sleep at night.


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Illusion said:
Nintentacle said:

Since the Qur'an wasn't all so sweet, I'm doing the much-easier-to-expose Roman Catholic Church. As you probably know, It's the one with the Pope.

To make it short, it shouldn't even be called a branch of Christianity. They say stuff like, "The church is the universal sacrament of salvation", and "Non Christians can be saved through the church", when the Bible says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."

Along with crazy things like "The Eucharist is most important in the life of the Church because it is Jesus Christ. It is the Incarnation continued in space and time.", and "The Eucharist is a sacrament which really, truly, and substantially contains the body and blood, soul, and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ under the appearances of bread and wine. It is the great sacrament of God's love in which Christ is eaten...", when the Bible says "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image".

Hope this was better than the Qur'an.


Hi there.  As a practicing Catholic I would just like to chime in here. 

You are absolutely correct that we believe the eucharist is the body and blood of Jesus Christ that has been transformed into bread and wine during the Mass.  That said, besides Church tradition, there is also a lot of support for this belief in scripture and I would just like to share a little bit of it with you, if that's OK:

 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood; you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.  For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.  (John 6:53-56)

It's true that most non-catholic christians believe that Jesus was speaking metophorically when he said this.  It's important to note however, that most of the people listening to Jesus got up and walked away as soon as he spoke about eating his flesh:

On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. (John 6:60, 66)

These disciples clearly did not believe that Jesus was speaking metaphorically and the fact that Jesus allowed them to leave indicates that he also meant this teaching to be taken literally.

Finally, the words of consecration of the host during mass are taken directly from scripture during the last supper when Jesus first gave his disciples the Eucharist:

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. (Luke 22:19-20)

I hope I was able to help here.  We Catholics definitely consider ourselves to be Christians, just like our Protestant brothers and sisters, and if you believe that Jesus is contained within the Eucharist then it really shows how much Christ is at the centre of our faith as well as our Church.

I think It's metaphorical. Believing gives you eternal life, according to this interpretation (Or, if "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life" is to be taken literally), anyone who does not eat bread and drink wine to symbolically represent Christ will burn in Hell.



Nintentacle said:
XanderXT said:
This isn't how you help people to believe. You don't insult other religions or sects of Christianity. You should do it gently, not forcefully.

I've never insulted religions, I've only half-exposed them so far. I'll half-expose all things I know/think I can half-expose.




You're insulting the way of life of billions by making threads like these.



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WagnerPaiva said:
 


These graphics are so ridiculous that they really do all the debunking for me. If these animals evolved from each other, why are they all still here?

Let me tell you why: God Almighty, the one and only, all glory deserving, created them all.

A similar design does not mean a common ancestor, means that the Designer whas the same.

I wouldn't call the designer of the giraffes' recurrent laryngeal nerve Almighty. Copypaste scrub at best.



WagnerPaiva said:
Soriku said:
kljesta64 said:

Leadified said:

 Evolution is accepted by virtually every scientist in the Western world and is defined as a fact. 

 


again this evolution is fact nonsense.

show me one proof where one 'species' a fish for example evolved into another 'species'  an ape,dog,chihuahua,human...


You're not going to have modern day fish evolve into modern day apes, dogs, etc. They're on a different branch.

Even if it happened, it would take much longer than the the average human lifespan of 70-80 years. So even if it could happen, you wouldn't be alive to see it, and so you wouldn't believe in it.

We've already seen changes happening in bacteria and fruit flies FYI. Given enough changes, enough diversity (mutations and natural selection), and enough time, new species can form.


Man, God is God, the Almighty, the King of Glory, the Everlasting, the Father of Truth, the Alpha and Omega.

Do not compare the Lord with your phony "science" full of lies.

Do not think He is a form of Evolution. There is dust still cause He created us, not made us evolve from whatever.

You believe we came from nothing, I believe in God. Both religion, the diference is that you think you are very smart for believing that.

My belief, in other hand, makes me humble, for I know who is my maker.

One correction: He might not believe that the Universe came from nothing. Not all Atheist do.



WagnerPaiva said:

Nintentacle, you are incorrigible... Look at what you done...

Well, you could tell me what I am doing, so I can know.

I don't know if you've read it yet, but "Poverty and shame shall be to him that refuseth instruction: but he that regardeth reproof shall be honoured."



XanderXT said:

You're insulting the way of life of billions by making threads like these.

Well, I think they're wrong. There's no reason to care what other people think of me, or if they are offended by what I say.



Nintentacle said:

One correction: He might not believe that the Universe came from nothing. Not all Atheist do.


Do not correct mister, look at the mess you have caused! Go to your room!



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.