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cpg716 said:

We also don't have digtial sales for EITHER consoles.. so really.. we cant even 100% say that it sold more on PS4..


But for retail:

Originally Posted by creamsugar

Sorry for being away for awhile.

D without bundle:
1 ~ 35%
4 ~ 33%
360 ~ 23%
3 ~ 9%

Total: < 2.7M

 
PS4 bundle ~ 300k

 

So:

1 ~ 945k (

4 ~ 891k + 300k bundle = 1291k

360 ~ 621k

3 ~ 243k



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DeadBigfoot21 said:
Surprised since Sony had all the advantages over microsoft. Physical all the way!


Sony sold more physical as well. See post above. It's just that NPD doesn't count bundles.



Teeqoz said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Surprised since Sony had all the advantages over microsoft. Physical all the way!


Sony sold more physical as well. See post above. It's just that NPD doesn't count bundles.

It's like, literally, beating a horse that's been dead for weeks.



                                                                                                             

damn to much argument for something that's obvious, ps4 sold more physical copies than xbox one. its irrelevant from where its comes because nobody knows, heck for all we know, alot of existing ps4 owners could have chose to buy the bundle just for the white bundle, otherwise they would have chose to buy the game individually



There are a few things that factor into this:

1.) The X1 userbase has a higher proportion of shooter fans since it is more of a dudebro console and heavily advertised as such. The PS4 userbase is not as shooter centric.

2.) Last month, you could get Destiny with an X1 for free. Heck, you could get two games with an X1 for free!!

Overall, it's not surprising. In fact, I expected the X1 version of Destiny to do much better than this because that deal had incredible value.



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Small victories, lol.



Teeqoz said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Surprised since Sony had all the advantages over microsoft. Physical all the way!


Sony sold more physical as well. See post above. It's just that NPD doesn't count bundles.

I guess someone didn't understand my initial post. Having a bundle is an advantage!



Aura7541 said:
There are a few things that factor into this:

1.) The X1 userbase has a higher proportion of shooter fans since it is more of a dudebro console and heavily advertised as such. The PS4 userbase is not as shooter centric.

Allow me to debunk this whole notion that the Xbox userbase is more "Dude-Bro" / shooter centric than the PlayStation userbase is, because quite honestly it's really irksome...

Last gen:

Xbox 360 WW Top 10:

Pos Game Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1. Kinect Adventures! 2010 Misc Microsoft Game Studios 14.56 4.77 0.24 1.61 21.18
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 2011 Shooter Activision 8.76 4.13 0.13 1.28 14.29
3. Grand Theft Auto V 2013 Action Take-Two Interactive 8.35 4.70 0.05 1.18 14.28
4. Call of Duty: Black Ops 2010 Shooter Activision 9.33 3.58 0.11 1.08 14.09
5. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 2009 Shooter Activision 8.40 3.52 0.08 1.27 13.27
6. Call of Duty: Black Ops II 2012 Shooter Activision 7.85 4.06 0.06 1.06 13.02
7. Halo 3 2007 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 7.83 2.78 0.13 1.19 11.93
8. Grand Theft Auto IV 2008 Action Take-Two Interactive 6.57 3.03 0.14 1.00 10.74
9. Halo: Reach 2010 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.87 1.89 0.08 0.76 9.60
10. Halo 4 2012 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.29 2.11 0.04 0.68 9.12

7/10 are FPS, and 2 out of the other 3 are shooter-heavy action games.  Fair enough.

PS3 WW Top 10:

Pos Game Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1. Grand Theft Auto V 2013 Action Take-Two Interactive 6.07 7.85 0.83 3.83 18.58
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 2011 Shooter Activision 5.40 5.55 0.49 1.56 13.00
3. Call of Duty: Black Ops II 2012 Shooter Activision 4.71 5.32 0.56 2.40 13.00
4. Call of Duty: Black Ops 2010 Shooter Activision 5.80 4.21 0.48 1.77 12.27
5. Gran Turismo 5 2010 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 2.84 4.71 0.81 2.09 10.45
6. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 2009 Shooter Activision 4.91 3.54 0.38 1.60 10.43
7. Grand Theft Auto IV 2008 Action Take-Two Interactive 4.63 3.58 0.44 1.57 10.21
8. Call of Duty: Ghosts 2013 Shooter Activision 3.49 3.26 0.38 1.96 9.08
9. FIFA Soccer 13 2012 Action Electronic Arts 1.02 4.91 0.13 2.00 8.05
10. Battlefield 3 2011 Shooter Electronic Arts 2.76 2.81 0.35 1.08 6.99

Wow, look at all those non-shooters on that list.  Once again, 6/10 are FPS, and 2/4 remaining are shooter-heavy action games,

And that was LAST gen, where the 360 dominated the NA market which is generally considered the more FPS-friendly territory... but if you compare regions Europe is just as big on shooters, especially on PS3.

Now, on to the current gen of...

Xbox One WW Top 10:

1. Titanfall 2014 Shooter Electronic Arts 1.45 0.58 0.03 0.12 2.17
2. Call of Duty: Ghosts 2013 Shooter Activision 1.43 0.50 0.00 0.11 2.04
3. Destiny 2014 Action Activision 1.18 0.45 0.00 0.13 1.76
4. Forza Motorsport 5 2013 Racing Microsoft Game Studios 0.93 0.50 0.01 0.08 1.52
5. Battlefield 4 2013 Shooter Electronic Arts 0.98 0.40 0.00 0.08 1.46
6. Dead Rising 3 2013 Action Microsoft Game Studios 0.79 0.25 0.01 0.06 1.11
7. Watch Dogs 2014 Action Ubisoft 0.67 0.34 0.00 0.06 1.07
8. FIFA Soccer 14 2013 Sports Electronic Arts 0.34 0.63 0.00 0.05 1.02
9. Ryse 2013 Action Microsoft Game Studios 0.63 0.27 0.00 0.05 0.95
10. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 2013 Action Ubisoft 0.58 0.25 0.00 0.05 0.87

Wow... look at all those "Dude-Bro" games on there.  Just 4/10 are shooters (I'm including Destiny in that of course).  Now let's check out the PS4...

PS4 WW Top 10:

Pos Game Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1. Destiny 2014 Action Activision 1.49 1.02 0.11 0.63 3.25
2. Watch Dogs 2014 Action Ubisoft 1.09 1.19 0.09 0.70 3.08
3. Call of Duty: Ghosts 2013 Shooter Activision 1.38 1.03 0.04 0.23 2.68
4. FIFA Soccer 14 2013 Sports Electronic Arts 0.51 1.69 0.09 0.28 2.57
5. FIFA 15 2014 Sports Electronic Arts 0.13 1.34 0.00 0.73 2.20
6. Battlefield 4 2013 Shooter Electronic Arts 0.97 0.89 0.11 0.19 2.17
7. Killzone: Shadow Fall 2013 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.71 0.99 0.07 0.19 1.95
8. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 2013 Action Ubisoft 0.79 0.85 0.05 0.17 1.86
9. inFAMOUS: Second Son 2014 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.79 0.59 0.06 0.36 1.80
10. The Last of Us 2014 Adventure Sony Computer Entertainment 0.49 0.58 0.05 0.34 1.46

Once again, same ratio of shooters (4/10), and  it ain't just NA carrying those shooter numbers either... Europe is just as big on these games such as BF4 and in fact even more so for the likes of Killzone.

Bottom like is while yes, FPS are generally bigger in NA, especially the likes of COD and Halo, that doesn't mean the Xbox platform is the lone "shooter box" platform... far from it.  In fact, this gen it's looking like the PS4 will be the shooter box / dude-bro leader when all is said and done.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

NightDragon83 said:
Aura7541 said:
There are a few things that factor into this:

1.) The X1 userbase has a higher proportion of shooter fans since it is more of a dudebro console and heavily advertised as such. The PS4 userbase is not as shooter centric.

-SNIP-

You can't just look at the Top 10 games. If you expand that list, the Xbox brand is clearly more dudebro, especially when you take sales of non-shooters like Tales of Vesperia and The Lost Odyssey into account. The 360 userbase just did not care about JRPGs or any other genre that is not action, shooter, or sports oriented. Meanwhile, IPs like LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo, and Journey sold really well on the PS3. This leads to another problem to your argument in that dudebro is an umbrella term for shooters, action, and sports. You've limited your analysis to just shooters which are only part of the dudebro definition.

You have also missed the second part of my point: the X1 being advertised as a dudebro console. The X1 is getting a Sunset Overdrive and COD:AW bundle later this season. It is also being heavily advertised as the "official console of the NFL" during football games. I just don't see as much diversity on the X1 as I see from the PS4. Meanwhile, the PS4 will be getting LittleBigPlanet 3 and Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- later this year.

The last point I should make is that there can be more dudebro gamers on the PS4 while a higher proportion of the X1 userbase be dudebro. After all, the PS4 is outselling the X1 by a huge margin. For instance, the PS4 is selling roughly twice as much, so 50% of the PS4 userbase equals 100% of the X1 userbase. Even if the PS4 userbase may have more dudebro gamers, its library will also be covering other genres such as platformers, western and Japanese RPGs, fighters, open-world, and sandbox because PS4 gamers are also interested on those kinds of games.



DeadBigfoot21 said:
Teeqoz said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Surprised since Sony had all the advantages over microsoft. Physical all the way!


Sony sold more physical as well. See post above. It's just that NPD doesn't count bundles.

I guess someone didn't understand my initial post. Having a bundle is an advantage!

It seems you misunderstood his. No one denied bundles = advantage. No shit. Point is, you say "physical all the way", as if it did some real work. The PS4 version is ahead in all major territories. The X1 physical copies sold a mere 75K more, in the US, if we exclude everything else.