WolfpackN64 said:
That's mainly for Metro 2033, Last Light Redux still runs on the same engine. That's the game I tried and compared. |
Well you did say both 2033 and Last Light in your original post
| curl-6 said: No, they're not. Mario is. Smash Bros is. Mario Kart is. Metroid is. Donkey Kong is... |
They are, but they're also not pushing for graphics either.
kupomogli said:
They are, but they're also not pushing for graphics either. |
Mario and Metroid pushed for graphics at 60fps on Wii.
kristianity77 said:
Why is it sad that an more expensive PC can produce graphics better than a much cheaper console can? I'm failing to see the logic here. Also, when was it "not like it used to be?" Pretty sure when the xbox 360 came out the PC already had games like Far Cry, Half Life 2 etc which were already quite a ways beyond what the 360 could initially do (if you had the system to run them well) and its no different this time around. The only difference is there are more PC games now than there were in 2004 etc which PC gaming was still in a growing period. The games so far this generation could not be done on an older system, without question so it is a step forward. If your annoyed that a £320 console cannot out perform a PC that costs significantly more, then go and buy a PC and don't worry about it. |
My point i they are holding a game down on a system. Period. This game on PS4 should be 1080p with whatever framerate. Rather than focus on making the best looking game, they hold it back. I find it sad. I also find it sad you feel the need to act like an ass toward me. Don't like my post? Then look at something different and don't worry about it.
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Shadow1980 said:
In all seriousness, you can't compare a 2D sprite-based game where sprites move around the screen and the screen scrolls at 60fps with a 3D polygon-based game where everything is animated at 60fps. |
Why not? Framerate affects responsiveness, whether 2D or 3D.
curl-6 said:
Mario and Metroid pushed for graphics at 60fps on Wii. |
Wii did a pretty good job at getting 60 fps with graphics not much better than Gamecube.
Basically, 60 fps was a goal for those games. Not getting cutting edge visuals out of the Wii.
How do the Zelda games perform on Wii? They didn't look like 60 fps from my memory. I hear Windwaker is not either on Wii U.
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Mr Puggsly said:
Wii did a pretty good job at getting 60 fps with graphics not much better than Gamecube. Basically, 60 fps was a goal for those games. Not getting cutting edge visuals out of the Wii. How do the Zelda games perform on Wii? They didn't look like 60 fps from my memory. I hear Windwaker is not either on Wii U. |
Games like Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 and Metroid Prime 3 pushed system's graphics and ran at 60fps.
Zelda is one series that has remained 30fps. It's the exception to the rule.
| curl-6 said: Games like Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 and Metroid Prime 3 pushed system's graphics and ran at 60fps. Zelda is one series that has remained 30fps. It's the exception to the rule. |
I'd argue Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime had great art stytles but didn't look technically demanding. Zelda Skyword Sword is a better example of a technically demanding game and probably why it stayed at 30 fps.
The Forza developers (Turn 10) said their goal is 1080p and 60 fps. How far they can push graphics is secondary. I think that's Nintendo's objective in many cases as well. But clearly they aren't opposed to sacrificing 60 fps if they really want to push visuals.
Forza 5 still looks great, but they obviously held back for 1080p/60 fps. But I'm curious why Hyrule Warriors runs at 30 fps. That should be 60 fps even on PS360 specs.
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1. Read the AssCreed developer interview.
2. Play Bayonetta2 demo.
3. Sigh and say, the game industry is full of idiots. I knew it.
Mr Puggsly said:
I'd argue Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime had great art stytles but didn't look technically demanding. Zelda Skyword Sword is a better example of a technically demanding game and probably why it stayed at 30 fps. The Forza developers (Turn 10) said their goal is 1080p and 60 fps. How far they can push graphics is secondary. I think that's Nintendo's objective in many cases as well. But clearly they aren't opposed to sacrificing 60 fps if they really want to push visuals. Forza 5 still looks great, but they obviously held back for 1080p/60 fps. But I'm curious why Hyrule Warriors runs at 30 fps. That should be 60 fps even on PS360 specs. |
With Zelda I think it's more that its bigger open worlds (as opposed to the more contained designed of Mario or Metroid) make 30fps the easier route. I expect this to continue on Zelda Wii U given what we've seen of it so far.
Prime 3 pushes a lot of geometry, bloom, and particles for a Wii title, and Mario Galaxy had shaders and particles all over the place. For the hardware, they were pretty demanding at 60fps. Skyward Sword was larger in scale, but had far fewer and simpler effects.
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