Neither Fusion or Celador should have been banned.   Ive seen worst things said or implied than what Fusion said.  And ive seen plenty of threads have the opposing company come up and not get moderated in Celador's case.  You could also say Goatseye shouldnt have brought up games like InFamous which was also off-topic. So yes Celadaor was off-topic but so is a lot of stuff on VGC including the comment he quoted.

 You all told me that this place isnt a democracy (Somebody was watching too much Walking Dead) but you guys really need to start letting the community be more involved instead of trying to silence them.  People come here to be heard.  WHen they post here it isnt just to criticize you, but to see if others agree with them as well.  You all dont even allow people to talk about moderation outside of these threads anymore. You all have made us go to the mod thread for the last year. You all ask us or even demand us at times to respect you but you also need to earn it.   Some of the community is upset with you guys, that is why your last thread changed so much, because you all pointed people in that direction by making people go to the mod thread. 

I think context is key with every moderation.

While other people do go off topic in threads, Celador's only contribution to that thread was deflecting the negativity at Microsoft. 3 posts, all of which were trying to drag it into a "lets troll Microsoft games!" thread, simply because Goatseye leans towards Xbox and had an opinion on Sony 1st party.

It was nothing but deflection/ baiting. Mixed in with previous anti-Microsoft warnings/bans, it just helped the decision along to hit him with another Trolling moderation.

My post here explains why Goatseye went mod-free and has more detail on the Celador ban, incase you missed it.

No comment on the Fusion ban...

I am all for the community having input. Its one of the reasons why I thought the old thread was great (and why I posted in it a lot before actually becoming a moderator), but I do agree that there has to be some form of ruleset for the discussion, as "Joe Bloggs should never have been banned!" posts are worthless to us as a team and to "Joe Bloggs" himself.

Detailed posts are what we need if someone is to point out a mistake (and there are plenty of mistakes) or advise us on any possible changes/ improvements.

@Celador ban - I see the reason in the ban.  I dont even agree with what Celador said.  Im saying i see it as choosy as this is a regular occurrence on VGC.  Ive seen Xbox fans do it, ive seen Nintendo fans do it, and ive seen Sony fans do it.  If you ban one, then you would have to do it with everybody who does it.   What Im trying to say is, I dont think celador was aware that saying something like that would get him banned as others have done it.  Some people will even look at Goatseye's comment as off-topic considering the thread wasnt about Infamous or Killzone(though still about Sony as Driveclub is Sony).  Its a perspective thing

For the record i also see Goatseye as innocent, i wasnt implying that he was guilty.  I think that if you're going to moderate these type of things then you need to make a rule for it so people are aware that it can get them banned before making a comment.

Something like *Posts that deflect negativity to an opposing company that doesnt relate to the thread can get you banned*

In fact i think the rule book as a whole needs updated as a lot of it is very vague.

Well... of course.

If you have a problem with a moderator, send that moderator a private message, and if you are still dissatisfied, send a private message to axumblade, the Lead Moderator. If you are banned and cannot login, email mods@vgchartz.com with your issue and you will get a response from the Lead Moderator. Do not post these issues in the forums, outside of moderator-sanctioned threads, or on the moderator’s wall - doing so may result in moderation action against you.

This rule has been in place since the Machina years. Complaining about a moderation outside of PMs to a Mod or a Mod Sanctioned Thread has always been against the rules.

I think you missed my point.  Its something that wasnt enforced as far as Im aware of until the last year to when everything mod related including posting on people's walls and opening a thread about the mods all got pointed to the mod thread.  We use to be able to make comments about if we agreed with a ban or not withouth being warned and pointed here. Plus geople generally arent always going to want to PM but rather discuss as a group.  That is why the mod thread changed, or evolved into something else. 

That is what i was saying. 

Well that's the ebb and flow of a changing community.

We got relaxed with rules that rarely went broken.

Community notices and pushes to see how much they can step over the line.

Mod team notices that a previously issue-less rule is now becoming an issue.

Mod team enforces rule as it was meant to be enforced.

That's where we are right now.

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We're trying to avoid this issue by being more consistent in how we enforce the rules that are given to us. And for your update on the rules, we agree and have been tinkering around with them to address the ever evolving issues facing us. Hopefully ioi will implement them soon, but... it's ioi so... *knocks on wood*

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/113678/erwinmoc/

"Permaban - Other (Requested. And this time he won't be coming back.) ~ Conegamer"

Huh?


Also when a user is permabanned, it'd be nice if their profiles were made public. That way simple questions like this would just be on their wall.

That was my previous account...

Two week ban for


Ka-pi96 said:
Isn't Germany like very anti Xbox/Pro PS though?

"aint the whole world like that ?" this LOL


Explain how a factually correct post is against any rules casue i don't see it.

and you are a mod since when, so stay out of stuff that has nothin to do with you.