| Shinobi-san said: Yeah i figured you were talking about Don's comment. Which even though it was a joke, and i think everyone took as such..it was pretty raw and could be seen as disrespectful on many levels as well as prejudice. Although i dont think there was that intention behind it. Similarly Star entertained that conversation. I feel like the post should have been moderated as it stands out from the rest. Its completely off topic and came from no where, its not like Kitlers OP brought on that post in any way lol. Again though that was only one post, Don and Star pretty much crashed the thread if you look at it, as others were perfectly fine to discuss the topic at hand. Kitler's title was certainly provocative, but the point behind the thread was a worthy topic. 1 being to point fun at using hourly sales rankings, and two to then use that data to draw conclusions, which in context is a valid discussion topic - the loss of momentum of X1 sales from hour to hour as ridiculous as that sounds its perfectly in line with Seece's thread that he created, which as a whole went down much worse. Where multiple users were banned. In Kitlers thread no1 was banned, and if someone were to be banned it would only be Don for a distasteful off topic and random joke about a gay mod orgy. So while i do feel that based on Seece's original thread which is relevant/irrelevant depending on which way you want to see, the exact same sentiment needs to be taken with regards to Kitler's. But besides that i feel like a more moderate approach would have been to rename the thread and moderate Don's post. I feel like the users in the thread who actually posted within the rules and the OP who really didnt do much wrong shouldnt be punished for others wrong doings. Had there been countless posts in the thread that were off topic or against the rules then locking would be ideal, even though that didnt happen in the Seece thread. So im really looking at the consistancy here and when is it necessary to lock a thread versus many bans (which in this case wouldnt even be necessary, since only 1 post was going to be moderated). With regards to starcraft going over the line or not - the reason why i would have and should have reported was because his comment is very similar to what many others get banned for. How often dont we see someone come into a thread and make underhanded comments towards other users suggesting they are fanboys? I mean it happens everytime Kowen, Ethomaz or even Seece makes a thread. They immediately get attacked for being bias or fanboys. Starcrafts post did the exact same thing to Kitler. Three times he made reference to "your console of choice" and twice he made reference to how much the sales increase of X1 has "gotten" to Kitler. Those are some pretty obvious implications right there. And to add to that his post was off topic and derailed the thread to the point of it being locked. Thats pretty bad for a regular user and doubly bad for a mod. Just thought id explain my reasoning there as to why i felt it was over the line. Imo i dont think Khan should have revealed the mod history just to prove to someone what he was talking about. We should probably put in some rules as to when a mod history can be revealed or not. I feel like it should be declared either as private or public and then lets stick to it. I assume theres a good reason why its not public though, so we should probably stick with that. Anyways thanks for reading cone. Those are my thoughts on those topics. The reasons why i post about these topics is because i care a lot about the community and its growth. Perhaps i even care more about that than actually discussing gaming. Consistancy in moderations and rule enforcement is something that we need to get right in order to be a more healthy forum, and i think its one of the easier things to get right as well. This will make it clear whats against the rules and whats not, otherwise people just think you picking sides all the time. |
Hi Shinobi
I have a few things to address here, and will do so as best I can.
Firstly, my thoughts on mod history is that it should remain private without the explicit permission of the user to reveal it. However, as users in this thread routinely demand answers for moderations that occured concerning others, I can understand why a mod felt the need to share Todd's history. I might have gone a different way, but we cannot have our cake and eat it too, so I get it.
Speaking of having your cake and eating it too, that brings us to the thread, and post, you're concerned about. As you've noted, other similar threads might have been allowed to go on in recent days. If you look at my wall, Ethomaz has already asked me about that. I don't know why that is, as I think they are equally unnecessary. But as is noted in your post and in the thread, it was an anti-thread, a reactive thread. Kitler is not, in my opinion, a fanboy. But he does certainly have a console of choice. I do not think it is unreasonable to state that.
The second half of my post offers up questions. And they were genuine ones. If I feel a thread is unnecessary, as I made clear, is it not reasonable to ask what the goals of that thread are? Mods are not impervious. My inclination was to lock that thread, and I asked other mods about it. But as Cone pointed out, the other mods were busy with Nintendo Direct (which is where the permaban joke came from - like it or not you've accepted it was very obviously a joke). So, absent that, I asked Kitler what the point was. I have not heard from Kitler, and would be happy to apologize if he took offense to the joke. But clearly, we'd not joke about that with anyone who really was an imminent contender for a permaban.
As you're now aware, the thread was eventually locked because of other comments. We'd hoped to simply avoid discussing the subject, and in hindsight should have locked that gay mods thread immediately and left it at that - we created a mess for ourselves I wont deny it. But frankly more than enough users have voiced real concern that that thread was left alive, and that subsequent comments like that were made. Rightly or wrongly, threads about the success or otherwise of the Xbox One's past, present and future price drops are a dime a dozen. As such, preventing people from feeling victimised, belittled or objectified was more important.
As Cone has pointed out, it was a poor thread from the outset. But ultimately the locking wasn't about that. We weren't entirely upfront about that - but with the information we had at the time, I am sure you can see why we simply just wanted to shut it all down as quietly as possible.
As an aside - report mods if you feel its appropriate. As a matter of principle the reports are either left for other mods, or elevated to Smeags level and dismissed for him to deal with as he sees fit.
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