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gergroy said:

Ok... Do you even know if such a thing is happening or are you just talking possibilities?  

Regardless of whether it did or not in Tachi's specific case is irrelivant, as it's still a valid concern for the forum as a whole.



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Tamron said:
gergroy said:

Ok... Do you even know if such a thing is happening or are you just talking possibilities?  

Regardless of whether it did or not in Tachi's specific case is irrelivant, as it's still a valid concern for the forum as a whole.


Ok... But how do you know it is a valid concern?  If it isn't happening then it isn't a concern.  If you know it is, then tell a mod.  Either way, allowing other users to see reports is a bad idea no matter which way you look at it...  



starcraft said:
ReimTime said:

I know that 99% of the website will agree with you and thus the rule will not be changed; however I want this like Tamron does.

I have iron testicles. If this list were implemented, reporting a post for mod visibility is still a thing I would do, as I am helping the mods out. It is their choice whether or not the user gets banned. I don't give a hoot if the reported user gets mad at me; if they get moderated all I did was make their ban arrive quicker. Like Tamron said, no reason to be afraid if the reason for reporting is a good one. Reporting for mod visibility is not a reason to be afraid; reporting with an agenda is. I would love to see who frequent reporters are. And you know what? I wouldn't get mad if I myself had a frequent reporter. I would just have a new opinion of them. One that is unspoken but heavily implied.

But it isn't right for the community as a whole to have this list. Not everyone shares my viewpoint. Remember how I said that reporting with an agenda is a reason to be afraid? Well I have to trust that the moderators have a good grasp on whether or not the user has an agenda. This site has some of the best mods I have ever seen, tbh. If I disagree with a moderation, I can either get mad at the rules or at the interpretation of the rules, not at the mods themselves. And I cannot get mad at the reporter. I can only look down upon them.

A few comments (from me as a user and a mod, but not representing any sort of 'collective mod team view.')

We DO know who reports a lot and we are mindful of the implications of that. For some reporters that means we know they regularly demonstrate care and insight in their reports. Whilst we still have to check moderation histories and thread circumstance, these users are very useful to us. Others may be a little 'report-happy' and prone to taking offense where, in our view, the majority would not. However, we still welcome those reports as often some of them are still useful.

There are formal reports and PMs where we are explicitely asked to keep someone's input private. If we made reports public they would drop off a cliff in my view and make our job much harder. Users worry about a lack of consistency now? We cannot be in every thread, and drop in reporting rates would mean large numbers of posts and threads go off the rails in a big way I suspect.

One more thing. Mistakes happen, we're hardly immune to them. But the fact that someone reported something never dictates automatically that a post should be moderated.

Yep. I want the report listing but I know where I stand. Therefore I want what is best for the community.



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ReimTime said:
starcraft said:

A few comments (from me as a user and a mod, but not representing any sort of 'collective mod team view.')

We DO know who reports a lot and we are mindful of the implications of that. For some reporters that means we know they regularly demonstrate care and insight in their reports. Whilst we still have to check moderation histories and thread circumstance, these users are very useful to us. Others may be a little 'report-happy' and prone to taking offense where, in our view, the majority would not. However, we still welcome those reports as often some of them are still useful.

There are formal reports and PMs where we are explicitely asked to keep someone's input private. If we made reports public they would drop off a cliff in my view and make our job much harder. Users worry about a lack of consistency now? We cannot be in every thread, and drop in reporting rates would mean large numbers of posts and threads go off the rails in a big way I suspect.

One more thing. Mistakes happen, we're hardly immune to them. But the fact that someone reported something never dictates automatically that a post should be moderated.

Yep. I want the report listing but I know where I stand. Therefore I want what is best for the community.

Yes. Unfortunately not everyone has 'iron testicles.'



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I think that someone reported Tachikoma and Aura7541 because they used cussing in their posts but they could be moderated easily for those posts.


Tachikoma's
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7252598

 

Aura7541's
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7252722

 

This one wasn't moderated but the same thing was basically said but with no cussing.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7253217

 

 



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starcraft said:
ReimTime said:

Yep. I want the report listing but I know where I stand. Therefore I want what is best for the community.

Yes. Unfortunately not everyone has 'iron testicles.'


Haha too true m8



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Aeolus451 said:

I think that someone reported Tachikoma and Aura7541 because they used cussing in their posts but they could be moderated easily for those posts.


Tachikoma's
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7252598

 

Aura7541's
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7252722

 

This one wasn't moderated but the same thing was basically said but with no cussing.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7253217

 

 

I've been banned for many silly things, but never for saying "fucking" (and I'm sure I've said it before).



Samus Aran said:
Aeolus451 said:

I think that someone reported Tachikoma and Aura7541 because they used cussing in their posts but they could be moderated easily for those posts.


Tachikoma's
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7252598

 

Aura7541's
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7252722

 

This one wasn't moderated but the same thing was basically said but with no cussing.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7253217

 

 

I've been banned for many silly things, but never for saying "fucking" (and I'm sure I've said it before).


I'm sure someone reported them for that reason in spite of what was written in the report. All 3 said the same thing basically and only one wasn't banned even though all 3 could be moderated for their posts.



Well there goes my post-Avengers afterglow. *shakes fist*

But first, can we do a time out on this whole report witch hunt thing?

This conspiracy that folks are ganging up on Tachi by reporting her is just completely unfounded and very much untrue (Take my word for it, or think that I'm part of the conspiracy cover up). The only person that has been spamming reports recently was Materia-Blade, and that's because that's what Zero does.

Anonymous-to-the-public reports is how we function, and to have their names be plastered on every ban would not be beneficial to the method. I can only see it making enemies out of users who have been involved in a ban, and forge wedges between members (Of course you would take that position, you're the one who reported me after all).

The mod team doesn't take much account into who issued the report, and even the message on the report isn't a nail in the coffin (the vast majority of them are simple and to the point anyways, as was this particular report: "Insulting an entire country" That was it. Not even a hint of bribery.) The words on the report is where a regular user ends their role in the moderation process. It's the mod team that then takes over and issues whether the post is worthy of moderation or not.

So please, the reporting is not the issue here. Axum thought the post was worthy of a day off and he issued it. Later on he thought against it and rescinded his ban. I will say that this has pointed out an issue that I do think needs solving: the moderator-moderated user relationship is too convoluted in its current system. To talk about a ban, the moderated-user needs to go to lengths to create an alt just to talk with the mod who issued a moderation. Therefore conversation is hard to come by and that can lead to a confusion, distrust, and anger. We need to have better ways to communicate. We'll work on that.

With that said, I hope that this answers some questions and puts some issues to rest.

I have a great feeling that tomorrow is going to be a great day! :T



Possibly another issue is that there is no way for someone to obtain a post they were creating before they were redirected to the ban-page. Maybe that can be kept in mind during the development of a revamped forum?