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Mr Puggsly said:

The logical way to say it is... "COD sells be on Playstation." Your wording is misleading, click bait.

$200 less would be without Kinect. So, $100 less. Again, the goal would be to make profit back in software, accessories, and gold subscriptions. MS can afford to take that risk. They bought Minecraft because they can take risks. Did MS shareholders like that decision? Who cares.

Your math is illogical. The $299 X1 wouldn't include Kinect. Nor would it sell for a loss for the entire generation. It would become cheaper to produce over the years. Also, a bigger userbase is more software, accessories, and Gold subscriptions. Seriously, use some common sense.


My title is not click bait and was the best way I could think to subscribe. Why does this annoy you so much? For the past few years people said COD is a MS franchise and nobody disagreed. I certainly didn't. It's now a playstion dominant franchise IMO. That's all I'm saying. Nothing more nothing less.

So now you wanted them to sell it for 200$ less and without kinect? After kinect being a success on the 360 they were never going to just abandon it. Either way even if it was 200$ less without Kinect that would be 7 billion less in revenue. Yes they costs of production will come down but so will the price even further. You think if they could have sold it at a huge loss they wouldn't have? It's obvious the shareholders want results and want them quick. 

All 3 console makers actually have sticky financial problems. Nintendo profits falling off a cliff and will be in massive trouble if the next handheld/console flop. MS shareholders not happy with no return after 13 years and that dowsn't look like changing anytime soon. Sony, well we all know Sony's problems in the non playstation sectors. 

So just like MS couldn't possible have sold it for 200$ less neither could SOny or Nintendo if they want to run a professional business model. Just as well you're not in charge anyway! You'd have made mattrick look like a god lol. 



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Kerotan said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The logical way to say it is... "COD sells be on Playstation." Your wording is misleading, click bait.

$200 less would be without Kinect. So, $100 less. Again, the goal would be to make profit back in software, accessories, and gold subscriptions. MS can afford to take that risk. They bought Minecraft because they can take risks. Did MS shareholders like that decision? Who cares.

Your math is illogical. The $299 X1 wouldn't include Kinect. Nor would it sell for a loss for the entire generation. It would become cheaper to produce over the years. Also, a bigger userbase is more software, accessories, and Gold subscriptions. Seriously, use some common sense.


My title is not click bait and was the best way I could think to subscribe. Why does this annoy you so much? For the past few years people said COD is a MS franchise and nobody disagreed. I certainly didn't. It's now a playstion dominant franchise IMO. That's all I'm saying. Nothing more nothing less.

So now you wanted them to sell it for 200$ less and without kinect? After kinect being a success on the 360 they were never going to just abandon it. Either way even if it was 200$ less without Kinect that would be 7 billion less in revenue. Yes they costs of production will come down but so will the price even further. You think if they could have sold it at a huge loss they wouldn't have? It's obvious the shareholders want results and want them quick. 

All 3 console makers actually have sticky financial problems. Nintendo profits falling off a cliff and will be in massive trouble if the next handheld/console flop. MS shareholders not happy with no return after 13 years and that dowsn't look like changing anytime soon. Sony, well we all know Sony's problems in the non playstation sectors. 

So just like MS couldn't possible have sold it for 200$ less neither could SOny or Nintendo if they want to run a professional business model. Just as well you're not in charge anyway! You'd have made mattrick look like a god lol. 

It doesn't annoy me. I'm telling you your wording is misleading even if that wasn't your intent. Nobody ever said CoD was a MS franchise because Playstation still accounted for a significant number of sales.

No, from the start I said X1 should have launched for $299 without the Kinect. Perhaps $399 with Kinect. The Kinect should have been an option from the start. MS can't worry just about pleasing share holders all the time, nor do they try.

You consider revenue lost from hardware sales and ignore revenue gained from software, accessories, and subscriptions. Hence, a larger userbase gives other opportunities to make profit.

MS has plenty of money and can afford to take risks with Xbox. Even if the Xbox brand itself hasn't been profitable, it has likely helped push other MS products and services.

MS could have sold the X1 for $299 w/o Kinect and $399 w/ Kinect. Now they are wasting money on damage control. I wouldn't be surprised if the X1 is becomes $299 for the Halo 5 launch.



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Mr Puggsly said:

It doesn't annoy me. I'm telling you your wording is misleading even if that wasn't your intent. Nobody ever said CoD was a MS franchise because Playstation still accounted for a significant number of sales.

No, from the start I said X1 should have launched for $299 without the Kinect. Perhaps $399 with Kinect. The Kinect should have been an option from the start. MS can't worry just about pleasing share holders all the time, nor do they try.

You consider revenue lost from hardware sales and ignore revenue gained from software, accessories, and subscriptions. Hence, a larger userbase gives other opportunities to make profit.

MS has plenty of money and can afford to take risks with Xbox. Even if the Xbox brand itself hasn't been profitable, it has likely helped push other MS products and services.

MS could have sold the X1 for $299 w/o Kinect and $399 w/ Kinect. Now they are wasting money on damage control. I wouldn't be surprised if the X1 is becomes $299 for the Halo 5 launch.

I promise you I read an awful lot of people say COD was microsofts new baby. Read it so often I'm shocked you never seen it. 

I will kindly disagree with you on the price. If they could have launched with that price they would have. They new long before launch they were going to get an ass kicking and if they wanted to stop it the logical thing would have been a price drop. Something tells me MS don't want to bleed so much money from xbox anymore. 



Kerotan said:

I promise you I read an awful lot of people say COD was microsofts new baby. Read it so often I'm shocked you never seen it. 

I will kindly disagree with you on the price. If they could have launched with that price they would have. They new long before launch they were going to get an ass kicking and if they wanted to stop it the logical thing would have been a price drop. Something tells me MS don't want to bleed so much money from xbox anymore. 

If you say so, buddy. Bottomline, having CoD was important to both 360 and PS3 regardless of what you read.

MS is potentitally bleeding money bunding their console with new AAA games. They also just spent billions on a IP. Hence, MS can and takes risk. They just didn't take one with X1 at launch and they're paying for it.



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Kerotan said:

It was a PS2 series before switching to 360 for most of last gen but it's now officially (according to vgchartz) a playstation franchise again! 

Call of Duty ghosts sales:

PS3 - 9.06M

Xbox 360 - 8.99M

PS4 - 2.67M

Xbox One - 2.03M

So Sony is winning the last gen and next gen COD battle and without the advertising or exclusive content! 

So will Sony keep the majority of the COD crowd for Advanced Warfare? It's hard to see how it won't. PS4 has greatly increased it's lead since Ghosts released and will do so even more in 2015. PS3 has sold more than the 360 in the last year but that effect should be minimal. 

Has the Kings last fort fallen or was that a once off blip? 

Actually this will be interesting to watch.  Everybody acted like COD was some Xbox series on the forums even though the Playstation versions always sold nearly the same number of copies (Check the charts if you don't believe it).

It would be pretty funny if all of the money MS spent money hating the game was a complete waste.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

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Mr Puggsly said:
Kerotan said:

I promise you I read an awful lot of people say COD was microsofts new baby. Read it so often I'm shocked you never seen it. 

I will kindly disagree with you on the price. If they could have launched with that price they would have. They new long before launch they were going to get an ass kicking and if they wanted to stop it the logical thing would have been a price drop. Something tells me MS don't want to bleed so much money from xbox anymore. 

If you say so, buddy. Bottomline, having CoD was important to both 360 and PS3 regardless of what you read.

MS is potentitally bleeding money bunding their console with new AAA games. They also just spent billions on a IP. Hence, MS can and takes risk. They just didn't take one with X1 at launch and they're paying for it.

thye also took big risks with games like COD getting all the advertising and the dlc deal every year. That is certainly paying for them now just not in a good way. Who is to say selling the machine 100$ cheaper would even make a diff? They were never going o not go with the oce successful Kinect so they could have sold it at the same price as the PS4 and with Kinect. They would be hemeraging money right now. 

A better idea you could have come up with would be spending an extra 1 billion to create hardware more powerful tha the PS4. 



Eddie_Raja said: Actually this will be interesting to watch.  Everybody acted like COD was some Xbox series on the forums even though the Playstation versions always sold nearly the same number of copies (Check the charts if you don't believe it).

It would be pretty funny if all of the money MS spent money hating the game was a complete waste.


Exactly what I'm trying to tell the gentleman aboe. Everybody talked about it being an xbox series and now I'm pointing out how that has now changed. 



Kerotan said:

thye also took big risks with games like COD getting all the advertising and the dlc deal every year. That is certainly paying for them now just not in a good way. Who is to say selling the machine 100$ cheaper would even make a diff? They were never going o not go with the oce successful Kinect so they could have sold it at the same price as the PS4 and with Kinect. They would be hemeraging money right now. 

A better idea you could have come up with would be spending an extra 1 billion to create hardware more powerful tha the PS4. 

Don't worry about the CoD deal. Its not like MS is struggling because of it. They still report profits last I checked.

Sony was hemorraging money with the PS3 early on. But they took the risk early on so they could make money later on from software and subscriptions. That's generally how it goes with consoles. MS should have done the same with X1 to stay competitive. That was my opinion, no need to argue if you disagree because I'm sticking with it.

Spending money on better hardware was a great suggestion before the hardware was produced. My opinion is for when the specs were final.



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Mr Puggsly said:

Don't worry about the CoD deal. Its not like MS is struggling because of it. They still report profits last I checked.

Sony was hemorraging money with the PS3 early on. But they took the risk early on so they could make money later on from software and subscriptions. That's generally how it goes with consoles. MS should have done the same with X1 to stay competitive. That was my opinion, no need to argue if you disagree because I'm sticking with it.

Spending money on better hardware was a great suggestion before the hardware was produced. My opinion is for when the specs were final.


Microsoft are hurting big time with all their deals like COD. Not getting the expeted returns in revenue at all. 

Sony's early risk is the same as MS early risk of dropping the price and removing kinnect. Only difference is Sony's risk worked for them.  This was my opinion, no need to argue if you disagree because I'm sticking with it.

You're choice of when they should take the risk makes less sense than when i suggested it. IE before they decided to make an inferior console which was more about media than games. 



Kerotan said:


Microsoft are hurting big time with all their deals like COD. Not getting the expeted returns in revenue at all. 

Sony's early risk is the same as MS early risk of dropping the price and removing kinnect. Only difference is Sony's risk worked for them.  This was my opinion, no need to argue if you disagree because I'm sticking with it.

You're choice of when they should take the risk makes less sense than when i suggested it. IE before they decided to make an inferior console which was more about media than games. 


The CoD deal is a non-issue. MS and Sony will use big titles to market their hardware just like last gen.

No, Sony take massive losses to move hardware is not the same MS removing Kinect and lowering the price. Removing Kinect wasn't a risk, it was a logical move they should have did at launch. Your opinion is flawed.

Again, when the hardware was finalized they should have been competitive with price to stay competitive. That's something they didn't do.

This is a silly discussion. We both agree MS made mistakes. Yet you're arguing with me like I'm defending them. I'm critical of MS for not being more competitive with their inferior hardware.

MS is allowed to make inferior hardware whether you like it or not. But they should be more competitive with price given the circumstances.



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