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TheGoldenBoy said:
Samus Aran said:

Samus would screw attack Kratos to death. He can never get near her thanks to the speed booster and shinespark anyway. Her range of fire is far is far greater as well.

And if he's up against phazon samus he's dead or corrupted after one shot. Plus she's litterally invincible in hyper mode. She can even drain his life energy. Or pump so much phazon into him that he explodes.

For some reason I thought you were talking about something else

Don't worry, I was thinking something similar while typing it. :D



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Samus Aran said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:

Why?

Buu is super fast and can destroy galaxies.

As for Kirby, ever played one of his games? He's super slow and weak.

Buu can't destroy galaxies. If he could, why did he just destroy the earth when he was angry?

Kirby being weak and slow in his games are game mecanics. I mean, Samus doesn't look like she's running at supersonic speeds with the Speed Booster after all, but the game manual says so, so she is.



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The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Samus Aran said:

Buu is super fast and can destroy galaxies.

As for Kirby, ever played one of his games? He's super slow and weak.

Buu can't destroy galaxies. If he could, why did he just destroy the earth when he was angry?

Kirby being weak and slow in his games are game mecanics. I mean, Samus doesn't look like she's running at supersonic speeds with the Speed Booster after all, but the game manual says so, so she is.

Kirby is a game character first and foremost, so one should look there. Kirby can't even suck in a lot of things (let alone an energy blast powerful enough to destroy planets). His biggest accomplisment is beating a tree. :p

Samus is still ten times faster than Kirby or Kratos when she activates her speedbooster. She's fast in the 2D games, Kirby is slow in pretty much every game.



Samus Aran said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:

Buu can't destroy galaxies. If he could, why did he just destroy the earth when he was angry?

Kirby being weak and slow in his games are game mecanics. I mean, Samus doesn't look like she's running at supersonic speeds with the Speed Booster after all, but the game manual says so, so she is.

Kirby is a game character first and foremost, so one should look there. Kirby can't even suck in a lot of things (let alone an energy blast powerful enough to destroy planets). His biggest accomplisment is beating a tree. :p

Samus is still ten times faster than Kirby or Kratos when she activates her speedbooster. She's fast in the 2D games, Kirby is slow in pretty much every game.

Actually, I've played Triple Deluxe, and he does suck an energy blast powerful enough to destroy a planet. And no, if we always look at gameplay mechanics first and ignore lore, then most game characters would look stupid. Most RPG characters would have to wait for their turn, and that's not how it works, right?



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The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Samus Aran said:

That battle was bs though.

Why?


Because they based Kirby's strength off of one gag scene from the anime, make unfounded assumptions about Kirby's abilities, allowed him to do things he couldn't do in the games or anime, mix info from the games and anime which contradict eachother, and somehow had Buu go directly from Fat Buu to Kid Buu, which is not how it works.  

<3 Kirby, but no way he could beat Buu.



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JWeinCom said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:

Why?


Because they based Kirby's strength off of one gag scene from the anime, make unfounded assumptions about Kirby's abilities, allowed him to do things he couldn't do in the games or anime, mix info from the games and anime which contradict eachother, and somehow had Buu go directly from Fat Buu to Kid Buu, which is not how it works.  

<3 Kirby, but no way he could beat Buu.

Not really. Kirny can crack planets in half. Buu never did that. And what unfounded assumptions are you saying and what shouldn't he have been able to do?

Besides, the animation doesn't actually affect the outcome.



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The_Sony_Girl1 said:
JWeinCom said:


Because they based Kirby's strength off of one gag scene from the anime, make unfounded assumptions about Kirby's abilities, allowed him to do things he couldn't do in the games or anime, mix info from the games and anime which contradict eachother, and somehow had Buu go directly from Fat Buu to Kid Buu, which is not how it works.  

<3 Kirby, but no way he could beat Buu.

Not really. Kirny can crack planets in half. Buu never did that. And what unfounded assumptions are you saying and what shouldn't he have been able to do?

Besides, the animation doesn't actually affect the outcome.

Buu destroys planets pretty regularly.  Kirby cracks a planet in one particular minigame.  Interestingly enough, Waddle Dee and Knuckle Joe can do the same thing in that game.  So, either we assume there are tons of people walking around popstar with the power to shatter the planet on a whim.  Or, more logically, we can conclude that this was a bit of visual flair for the mini game and was not meant to be taken seriously. 

As for flaws in the video...

1.  Shiver star is never stated to be a post apocolyptic earth.  It's a fan theory, but the evidence for that is limited.  So we don't know if Kirby can survive a blast that can destroy an Earth sized planet.  Everything in Kirby's world seems scaled to his 8 inch height, so it's likely that his world is similarly scaled to about 1/8 Earth sized. 

2.  Their conclusion that Kirby's warp star travels faster than light is based on some pretty wonky assumptions.  Moreover, Kirby has never shown the ability in the games to fight on a warpstar except a bit in air ride.

Now, IF we want to take one random mini-game from Superstar seriously, then we have to take any random thing from any game just as seriously.  In Kirby Air Ride, the Warp Star is clocked at a leisurely 30 MPH.  This means that Kirby's basic speed has to be less than that. 

3.  Eating a warp star doesn't give you Star Rod ability.  That was in the anime, but the games should take precedence when there is any conflict.  The Star Rod is a pretty important thing (giving dreams to the people of Pop Star) and it's not something Kirby could just take with him.

4.  The mechanics of Kirby's stomach are never explained in any canonical media.  He can only recall powers in Squeak Squad.  This was a gameplay mechanic, just like his pokey walking speed, so if we want to take one thing seriously, we have to do both.

5.  Kirby is shown to be damaged by attacks that can't destroy planets pretty regularly in cutscenes and gameplay.

Also, Kirby has never shown any sort of resistance to being transformed.  His enemies were able to transform him into Yarn, balls, split him in 4, or split him in 10 with no problem.  So, there is no reason to think he would be able to resist being turned to chocolate.  There's also no indication he's fast enough to dodge Buu's attacks, or durable enough to survive Buus hits for long.  The only method Kirby would have of hurting Buu would be using the Hypernova to reflect one of Buu's attacks, but Kirby can't just store Hypernova, so he'd have to be pretty lucky for them to be battling right by one.  Aside from that, he doesn't have the power to kill Buu.  Most likely, this battle ends with a candy coated Kirby.  



JWeinCom said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:

Not really. Kirny can crack planets in half. Buu never did that. And what unfounded assumptions are you saying and what shouldn't he have been able to do?

Besides, the animation doesn't actually affect the outcome.

Buu destroys planets pretty regularly.  Kirby cracks a planet in one particular minigame.  Interestingly enough, Waddle Dee and Knuckle Joe can do the same thing in that game.  So, either we assume there are tons of people walking around popstar with the power to shatter the planet on a whim.  Or, more logically, we can conclude that this was a bit of visual flair for the mini game and was not meant to be taken seriously. 

As for flaws in the video...

1.  Shiver star is never stated to be a post apocolyptic earth.  It's a fan theory, but the evidence for that is limited.  So we don't know if Kirby can survive a blast that can destroy an Earth sized planet.  Everything in Kirby's world seems scaled to his 8 inch height, so it's likely that his world is similarly scaled to about 1/8 Earth sized. 

2.  Their conclusion that Kirby's warp star travels faster than light is based on some pretty wonky assumptions.  Moreover, Kirby has never shown the ability in the games to fight on a warpstar except a bit in air ride.

Now, IF we want to take one random mini-game from Superstar seriously, then we have to take any random thing from any game just as seriously.  In Kirby Air Ride, the Warp Star is clocked at a leisurely 30 MPH.  This means that Kirby's basic speed has to be less than that. 

3.  Eating a warp star doesn't give you Star Rod ability.  That was in the anime, but the games should take precedence when there is any conflict.  The Star Rod is a pretty important thing (giving dreams to the people of Pop Star) and it's not something Kirby could just take with him.

4.  The mechanics of Kirby's stomach are never explained in any canonical media.  He can only recall powers in Squeak Squad.  This was a gameplay mechanic, just like his pokey walking speed, so if we want to take one thing seriously, we have to do both.

5.  Kirby is shown to be damaged by attacks that can't destroy planets pretty regularly in cutscenes and gameplay.

Also, Kirby has never shown any sort of resistance to being transformed.  His enemies were able to transform him into Yarn, balls, split him in 4, or split him in 10 with no problem.  So, there is no reason to think he would be able to resist being turned to chocolate.  There's also no indication he's fast enough to dodge Buu's attacks, or durable enough to survive Buus hits for long.  The only method Kirby would have of hurting Buu would be using the Hypernova to reflect one of Buu's attacks, but Kirby can't just store Hypernova, so he'd have to be pretty lucky for them to be battling right by one.  Aside from that, he doesn't have the power to kill Buu.  Most likely, this battle ends with a candy coated Kirby.  

1: That's still a big planet to crack. And yes, most of the people of the planet can probably crack the planet. Have you never heard of toonforce?

2: Kirby travels across the galaxy in Super Star Ultra.

3: Buu wouldbe much weaker if they just use the manga.

4: He can store 5 items in his stomach in the game. In the animation of the fight, he used 3 copy abilities and the Hypernova. That's 4 items.

5: When he was turned to yarn he was supposed to be killed. And he can survive a planet explosion. I doubt that Buu's normal attacks are more powerful than a planet explosion. And he has the power to kill Buu by simply using the Hypernova, whicih he can store in his stomach.

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Was it ever decided why the Zelda characters can't just wish for victory?


Also are we going by Melee or Smash 4? Because Smash 4 is basically loaded with deities and God-Killers whereas Melee only has three Deity level characters. Drake & Sony's All-Stars Fighting has two right? Kratos and Dante?



Kratos and Kat would win the fight by themselves.



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