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Forums - Sales - Hardware 9/13/2014 PS4 does 472k and Xbox One 172k + Global Software

 

How Long Before This Week is Adjusted?

0-24 hours 77 14.42%
 
1-7 days 99 18.54%
 
Post NPD 176 32.96%
 
Never 91 17.04%
 
See Results 91 17.04%
 
Total:534
binary solo said:
DonFerrari said:


Well, using VGC numbers that gives you 1.26:1 on HW and curiously gives SW rate 1.26:1 is just a signal that VGC used their numbers for total HW for both platforms to estimate total SW not that they have close sales...

Yep, but we'll never have any conparative SW information that's more accurate to talk about. So either we don't talk at all about software sales or we take the numbers at face value and base our discussions on that objective, albeit inaccurate, information.

We have $325M sellthrough from somewhere divide by 60 = 5.4 million. But that's a terribly inaccurate figure because in lots of countries games cost a lot more than $60US equivalent. So VGC's 4.4 million estimate does not seem unreasonable. But we have no idea of the breakdown. Has anyone actually announced sales ratios globally?

Plus you have to factor in that Destiny had quite a few expensive "editions"



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binary solo said:
DonFerrari said:
binary solo said:

That is probably a more accurate number, given NPD forms the bulk of the raw data. I've never kept track of NPD LTDs so I am never able to reference them for situations like this.

Which makes the software sales margin of 1.26:1 (with big margin for error) look even better for PS4, because against most people's natural inclination it would mean the attach rate on PS4 is higher than Xb one. Because anyone with knowledge of FPS sales history in the USA knows that FPS sells best on Xbox, a higher attach rate for Destiny on PS4 is absolute proof that the exclusive deal between Sony and Acti worked out very well for Sony. This completely counters the post I initially responded to which feigned surprised at how little effect the exclusive arrangement seemed to have made. The numbers, with the inaccuracy caveat, actually prove exactly the opposite.



Well, using VGC numbers that gives you 1.26:1 on HW and curiously gives SW rate 1.26:1 is just a signal that VGC used their numbers for total HW for both platforms to estimate total SW not that they have close sales...

Yep, but we'll never have any conparative SW information that's more accurate to talk about. So either we don't talk at all about software sales or we take the numbers at face value and base our discussions on that objective, albeit inaccurate, information.

We have $325M sellthrough from somewhere divide by 60 = 5.4 million. But that's a terribly inaccurate figure because in lots of countries games cost a lot more than $60US equivalent. So VGC's 4.4 million estimate does not seem unreasonable. But we have no idea of the breakdown. Has anyone actually announced sales ratios globally?


I have nothing against the total estimative, since the sellthrough and average price WW is acceptable (and the sellthrough announced have digital sales as well, that could be anything from 10 to 30%), and with the upgrade plan for free on digital they probably had good sales on it.

But the breaktrough giving exactly the same proportion of total HW isn't a talking point because it isn't that the game have that breakthrough, just that VGC in lack of better precise numbers just gave the aproximate ratio of HW as SW... and that wouldn't make sense since we had the exclusive marketing AND BUNDLE, look at WD for comparison. X1 free SW promotion and their history of shooters on xboxes may offset some of the marketing on PS4, but I don't think it make it basically useless.



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X1 undertracked in USA, this week proves it



TheDrill said:
X1 undertracked in USA, this week proves it


Um... how does it prove it? o.o I'm not sure whether you're saying either,

1) The given figure for the U.S. this week is an excellent number, and proves the Xbox One sells bunches, so all the other weeks must be undertracked cause they look so meh while the Xbox One sold so wonderfully this week, etc, etc, etc. In which case, I'd have to say, this week indicates nothing, given they were giving out a free game, plus a game bundle, PLUS in some cases that gift certificate, meaning that you could potentially get as much as 150 bucks worth of 'bonus' stuff on top of the console itself.

or,

2) The given figure for U.S. this week is a teeeerrible number, and so this week proves that the Xbox One must be getting undertracked, because the number for the posted week should, in your opinion, be MUCH higher than what it provided. Don't actually have much opinion about that, beyond that I'm kind of surprised it got as close to the PS4's sales that week in the first place, what with all the Destiny preorder bundles getting redeemed that week. =P Free game week or not, I don't think anyone was actually expecting the Xbox One to outsell the PS4 for that week, in the USA or otherwise. PS4's sales boost would have been too large, and too top-heavy, for the X1 to have much of a chance of catching up before week's end.

Either way, you might want to wait for adjustments. o.O The numbers for both the PS4 and Xbox One could end up going down, or up, depending on the NPD results.



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TheDrill said:
X1 undertracked in USA, this week proves it

Looks overtracked to me...

And PS4 undertracked... I guess Destiny bundle sold more and not just that little.



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Holy hell. There's been so many games adjusted up.

GTA V PS3 - 18.55 million

The Last of Us PS3 - 5.04 million

Gran Turismo 6 - 2.79 million

Watch Dogs PS4 - 3.06 million

inFamous: Second Son - 1.78 million

And many more.



TheDrill said:
X1 undertracked in USA, this week proves it

Hasn't NPD always proven the opposite?



 

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TrevDaRev said:
Holy hell. There's been so many games adjusted up.

GTA V PS3 - 18.55 million

The Last of Us PS3 - 5.04 million

Gran Turismo 6 - 2.79 million

Watch Dogs PS4 - 3.06 million

inFamous: Second Son - 1.78 million

And many more.

You've got to be kidding me. Sony lied about sales of TLOU too? Damn them! So the basic formula is: Take anything Sony says and remove 1m ... Got it.



 

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TrevDaRev said:
Holy hell. There's been so many games adjusted up.

GTA V PS3 - 18.55 million

The Last of Us PS3 - 5.04 million

Gran Turismo 6 - 2.79 million

Watch Dogs PS4 - 3.06 million

inFamous: Second Son - 1.78 million

And many more.


Cool to see some adjustments!

The Last of Us PS3 still remains heavily Undertracked. They announced it 7m in July (shipped+digital). Digital is less than 10% in all games and it's not like the game was just out and a lot of units would have been on shelves, meaning at the time the game was probably at around 6m sold through. And even if it wasn't, it should have achieved it by now.



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Wii U: 12.1M | XBO: 19.8M | PS4: 36.0M | 3DS: 58.5M | PSV: 11.7M

TrevDaRev said:
Holy hell. There's been so many games adjusted up.

GTA V PS3 - 18.55 million

The Last of Us PS3 - 5.04 million

Gran Turismo 6 - 2.79 million

Watch Dogs PS4 - 3.06 million

inFamous: Second Son - 1.78 million

And many more.

Got the previous numbers?   I know that Watch Dogs PS4 used to be at about 2.5 million. Also PS4 have it's first 3 million seller! And is now the best selling single plattform game version.( beating Mario Kart 8)



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