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Forums - Politics - Former Auschwitz guard, 93, charged with accessory to 300,000 murders in Germany

:'(

this just reminded me what kind this world used to be :(

not that everything is good now, but definitely better than it used to be 70 years ago, thanks god people's minds are slowly changing to the better



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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Scisca said:
Aerys said:

Nothing says they loved what they were doing, fear is a powerful weapon, most of us here would have done the same thing, follow orders because you cant trust others, someone could tell you " ok, i'm with you for revolution" and then report you to his commander to put you in jail, in these times of fear, you had to follow orders, it has nothing to do with loving or not the job.


And of course a lot of people were at fault, like i said, those who obviously took pleasure in it by unnecessary things against victims, and of course those who gave the orders, the big commanders.

It was really a difficult time anyway, so it's difficult to say who was wrong or not, but it's easy to put the blame on poor soldiers just to take revenge in any way...But it's useless, nothing says this guy deserves this.


Dude, stop turning the executor into the victim.

Fear? Seriously, FEAR!? The Germans were having the time of their lives, they weren't living in fear. Other people were - in fear of the Germans.

This post is just ridiculous. Maybe you should start to become familiar with what actually happened and start to understand historical patterns. I am about to become a teacher for German history, that's why I can't stand what you were writing, because it's just not the truth. After WW1 and especially after the Treaty of Versaille, Germany (actually the Weimar Republic) was in extremely bad shape. People lived in total misery, there was a high unemployement rate. Then this charismatic guy called Hitler came and promised to make things better. And people believed him and actually they weren't the only ones. The European governments and also the US government ... he fooled them all. Because the thing was: At first, he made things better for the Germans. After his early achievments, they all were blind to his real intentions though he has already made them clear in his book (Mein Kampf) in 1925 (eight years prior to his election). But they didn't wanna see that, they didn't want to have another war (Conduct of Appeasement).

What I basically wanna say is: The Germans were definitely not having "the time of their lives". They were not looking for everyone to get killed, they were looking for them to get their miserable lifes better. In addition to that, resistance during the time after the election was punishable by death. Yes, the German people lived in fear. The Nazi regime are the ones who were responsible for the massacres, not the German people. They elected Hitler six years before WW2 started, not thinking about war but about making their lifes better.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
While what he did was very long and I hope people like him gets punished and sent to jail for a very long time (if not for life)... Hes 93 loll. Hes gonna die soon anyway... I don't really see the point in charging someone so late in his life

It doesn't matter if he dies tomorrow. It sends a message to every war criminal out there. No matter how old you are, how long ago the incident occurred, or what you did since the war, you will be hunted down, exposed for your crimes and will face justice. Being old shouldn't be a reprieve.



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ikki5 said:

Now if only they'd do stuff to war criminals in the west.... Bah ha ha, what am I saying? We know that will never happen. Canadians and Americans did the same thing to Japanese... killed countless people just because they were Japanese, tortured them and did atrocious things and were never convicted or punished in any way but hey... History is written by the victors.

Do you have any type of record or proof of this? If you're referring to an actual battlefield occurrance, that doesn't count because it's a fucking battlefield. The truth is German POW's and the few Japanese POW's that were willing to surrender were actually treated a lot better than our own soldiers. They got proper clothing and shelter. They got two or three full meals a day. They themselves were surprised by this. In fact, there was one occurance when a Japanese soldier was unwillingly captured and had asked the Americans to execute him. The Americans refused. Also, when the Americans invaded Okinawa, they were actually respectful to the civilians on that island who just before were treated like shit by their own government.

I'm not saying everything the west did in that conflict was right. The US internment camp for German and Japanese Americans was wrong. The recist propaganda in America was wrong. Choosing a city that had been untouched by the war as the place to drop the atom bomb was wrong. But as far as torturing is concerned, the Western powers actually went out of their way to make sure none of this happened. If it did happen, then General Patton slapping one of his own soldiers in the face would be the least controversial thing to have happened.



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Soriku said:
enditall727 said:
radishhead said:
The thing is, if I was an officer in Nazi Germany, I imagine I would have followed whatever orders I was given, no matter how inhumane they may have seemed. Not complying would simply not have been an option unless I wanted to suffer myself.


You would've smashed that babies brains all over that car huh, radish?


Even if I was forced to...I don't think I would. Bunch of animals.

agree, this is what holds the world behind, people give power to the wrong people and yet follow their orders, just like sheep

and I find it really insane that Hitler was surrounded by so many soldiers, but none ever had the guts to sacrifice himself and shoot him, ending this paranoic massive killing of innocent people who had nothing to do with war and politics



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Soriku said:
enditall727 said:
radishhead said:
The thing is, if I was an officer in Nazi Germany, I imagine I would have followed whatever orders I was given, no matter how inhumane they may have seemed. Not complying would simply not have been an option unless I wanted to suffer myself.


You would've smashed that babies brains all over that car huh, radish?


Even if I was forced to...I don't think I would. Bunch of animals.

agree, this is what holds the world behind, people give power to the wrong people and yet follow their orders, just like sheep

and I find it really insane that Hitler was surrounded by so many soldiers, but none ever had the guts to sacrifice himself and shoot him, ending this paranoic massive killing of innocent people who had nothing to do with war and politics

Actually there was someone named Stauffenberg. He wanted to kill Hitler, but he was stopped and executed.



Ok so Im going to sound like an idiot here BUT how was what he did against the law?? I mean if the Nazi's ran Germany surely they would have made all this ok right?? And if he commited a crime whilst the law wasnt in place then he shouldnt be held reponsible now.



Scisca said:
 


Dude, stop turning the executor into the victim.

Fear? Seriously, FEAR!? The Germans were having the time of their lives, they weren't living in fear. Other people were - in fear of the Germans.

Thats really, really not true and a far, far, far too simplistic and black vs. white take on what has happened.

Edit: I´m not saying the western european countrys had a hand in this/ provocated the germans or whatever, but just that it´s a very complicated issue that can´t be reduced to "they had fun murdering all those people, so they did" .



ktay95 said:
Ok so Im going to sound like an idiot here BUT how was what he did against the law?? I mean if the Nazi's ran Germany surely they would have made all this ok right?? And if he commited a crime whilst the law wasnt in place then he shouldnt be held reponsible now.


Crimes against humanity .  Look at the Nuremberg trials for details.

 



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Soriku said:
enditall727 said:
radishhead said:
The thing is, if I was an officer in Nazi Germany, I imagine I would have followed whatever orders I was given, no matter how inhumane they may have seemed. Not complying would simply not have been an option unless I wanted to suffer myself.


You would've smashed that babies brains all over that car huh, radish?


Even if I was forced to...I don't think I would. Bunch of animals.

agree, this is what holds the world behind, people give power to the wrong people and yet follow their orders, just like sheep

and I find it really insane that Hitler was surrounded by so many soldiers, but none ever had the guts to sacrifice himself and shoot him, ending this paranoic massive killing of innocent people who had nothing to do with war and politics


Didn't a group of Nazis try and rebel against hitler and take Germany back? I mean they did the whole movie with Tom Cruise I'm pretty sure I googled it and read it was a real event.