Aye, but that's what I don't get. xP I haven't been around here very long, so I might just have missed it, but I don't remember ever hearing 'Well, sure, the Xbox 360 is obliterating the PS3 in the U.S., and the Wii is selling like hotcakes, BUT its sales might as well be written on used toilet paper compared to the PS2.' Heck, it would have even made more sense, since they were in the generation immediately following. In this case it seems to be 'I bet you can't kick the ass of the biggest, meanest mofo on the planet! Right? Right! You're not very tough at all!'

Again, if they want to say that the PS4 is underperforming, that's fine, but by their metric, EVERYONE underperformed, so the criticism here seems to be that the PS4 isn't bucking a trend every other console's followed. =P It doesn't suggest the console is declining, just that the console isn't currently looking to be another 150 million seller... and even the most feverent Sony supporters on here generally suggest more along the lines of 100 million.

Wait, the original Playstation was pretty long-lived, not like the brief flash of light that was the Wii, and it hit a hundred million, do we have any numbers on THAT?

I'm not impressed with PS4's sales in 2014 thus far. They had a great launch, but their numbers this year aren't that strong in North America and the Japanese market has been predictably a joke. Europe is probably going well for them. Luckily the Destiny hype should move a good number of systems for them before word of mouth spreads too far that the game doesn't live up to its billing.

I do find it some what amusing that you're apparently not allowed to have that opinion though as if there's some "Thou shall not talk ill of PS4 sales" commandment or something, lol. Gimme a break. If you think 190k for a market leader's first August is incredible, good for you. Some of us don't agree. You need to be able to process that. 

Hold on a minute.  You keep saying "underperforming".  I want to be sure about what you mean.  Are you using the PS2 as a universal standard?

From a business perspective, "underperforming" means that something is not doing as well as it should be doing relative to the current market.  If analysis indicates that it should be hitting 400k a month, then it would be underperforming.  It does NOT mean that a product is not measuring up relative to a product from 13 years ago.  Anyone in business knows that markets change over time and that eternal standards don't really carry any meaning beyond the trivial.

So, then, when you say "underperforming", what exactly are your criteria?

We've established that he doesn't care about market conditions and is using the PS2, literally, as a measuring stick. =P

Wait, no, scratch that, he DOES care that the PS2 was only in one market during its first few months, so he cares about that condition.

Just none of the conditions that weaken his point.

Good thing then what impresses you matters not, your inability to look at the big picture and facts renders anything you post quite pointless really.  

Underperforming compared to?

The comparative market leaders (the PS2 and Wii) since the year 2000 (14 years ago now) perhaps? I'd say it's fair to compare. 

Saying "that will nevar happen again" is a bit of a cop out. Market leaders will get compared, the SNES had to be comapred to the NES, we use these comparisions as a metric of the industry, but fanboys don't understand that and think it's some stupid "my console is bettar than yourz" line of reasoning mistakanly. 

I got the same blow back from Nintendo fans who kept saying "but the 3DS has sold 20+ million alreadY!" when I would point out there were some disturbing month to month patterns developing in its sales way back and it was the same "b. ... bu ... but you can't compare to the DS!" schtick then too. Now even the most ardent fanboys are starting to realize that there is a real decline going on in that market sector. 

Average intelligence and understanding of math, if PS4 is not impressive then neither was wii or PS2.

ow.

Are you kidding me??? Come on use your head man!!!!!!

• Console A and B both sell 10M in 12 months.
• Console A sells 2M in 1st month. It will have to sell 727k/month for the remaining 11 months to reach 10M.
• Console B sells 6M in 1st month. It will have to sell 363k/month for remaining 11 months to get to 10M.

Do you get it now????? Cause one console sells less monthly doesn't mean that it hasn't, doesn't or wouldn't sell significantly more over a set short few month(s) to still outsell something else that sold higher on average. This is what it means to be front/seasonal loaded. And is exactly how the PS4 has been selling when compared to the PS2.

Mind you I'm not using PS2 as a universal standard here cause I already know that the PS4 won't match up to that as per Soundwave's statement of the PS2 hitting over 300+ K in North America regularly but going under 250K for HALF of the year isn't what anyone would call ideal ...