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MoHasanie on 05 September 2014

Interesting. X1 hasn't been doing as bad as I was thinking and PS4 not as good.



    

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bubblegamer on 05 September 2014
TruckOSaurus said:
How to make sure your favorite console has the top numbers? Disqualify any console that outsells it.

You reminded me of this. Love this guy btw



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 05 September 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I'd say that's decided by whether they stick around and keep buying games in a variety of genres. So those that regularly buy the consoles and games such as COD, GTA, Halo, Infamous, Zelda etc and keep doing that are not casual. While those that buy only like 1 console or game and are unlikely to ever buy any others are casual.

Its a pointless distinction because sales tracks consumers not gamers.

The only difference between "casual" and "hardcore" as consumers is that "Hardcore" is more likely to buy stuff, but in the context of consoles thats pretty much irrelevant.

Units sold is the only thing that matters.

While true it isn't a huge difference, it is still present. I'm sure most companies would prefer hardcore buyers than casual buyers. Because chances are those hardcore buyers will stick around no matter what, while the casuals won't. That's pretty obvious with the Wii U and Xbox One. They both made some mistakes and probably won't sell any where near as much as their predecessors but they can still be fairly sure the hardcore gamers will buy them. In that sense having a huge hardcore presence is much more beneficial than an even bigger casual presence because then no matter how bad they screw up next time they will be guaranteed a decent number of customers anyway.

To put it simply, they want as many sales as possible but would prefer loyal customers (usually hardcore gamers) than non-loyal customers (usually casual gamers).

The distinction is irrelevant. While this line of speculation is plausible, this is still is no reason to not include the Wii in the totals.



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eva01beserk on 05 September 2014
AnthonyW86 said:
eva01beserk said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Indeed it was a great succes in the casual gaming market, but not the ''hardcore'' gaming market. And apart from some of Nintendo's own offerings, only casual software sold well on it. For the big gaming franchises like GTA, Assassins Creed's, Destiny etc. it just doesn't matter if Nintendo's consoles sell 20m or 100m. Those games don't sell well on it anyway. The install base of their consoles just don't really tell anything about the state of the gaming industry, or if developers will be able to make back the budget of big AAA games.

That's why i think the comparison is about Playstation and Xbox. Nintendo's huge drop off in sold consoles pretty much effects Nintendo and Nintendo alone, to the hardcore gaming market and most developers it just doesn't matter much.

Bullshit response. Everyone knows that a lot of casuals bought the wii, but a lot of hardcore gamers did to. The only problem was that those hardcore gamers did not just have the wii, it was usually acompani by a ps3/360 or all 3. People where not going to buy the way more inferior version of a game for wii while they had their other hd console with the wii. But almost all the games exclusive for the wii, hardcore or casual, mainly hardcore, sold preety well. Everybondy know the wii was a great secondary console for hardcore gamers. Only casuals had it as a primary console, or poor people like me, wich I got a ps3 very late in the gen.

The point is if you count the Wii the 7 gen consoles will always end up higher combined than the 8 gen. The problem with that is that it would make you think that the market is shrinking, while in fact the core gaming market could be growing. It's just the casuals that have moved on.

Developers like Bungie are not going to spend up to 500M on a new franchise because a Nintendo consoles sells well, their games don't even release on them. The succes of Nintendo's consoles has almost zero influence on thirth party's development of big games. It's the install base of Playstation and Xbox consoles that's important for these games. And if that install base is growing and Nintendo's loyal following stays about the same, the industry is growing.

And if you really want to count Wii, than count 20% of it's sales witch is the amount of sales it would have hade without the casuals hype. Or as the-pi-guy mentioned, use Gamecube numbers.

Another bullshit response. Like I said before, exclusive games sold very well on the wii, be it hardcore or casual. The problem lies with the multyplats, since they where vbioulsy inferior, no body was going to pay the same price for that and just buy it for their hd primary console. The reason that they would not go exclusive on nintendo is that even if they had the majority of consoles, they didnt compare to the combined ps360, wich where hd and some crap games sold well just for being pretty.

Like I said before, the wii was an excelent secondary console. most hardcore gamers had it next to their hd brothers. Casuals stoped buying the console a lot early then when the wii stoped selling.

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Jaywood2010 on 05 September 2014
AnthonyW86 said:

The point is if you count the Wii the 7 gen consoles will always end up higher combined than the 8 gen. The problem with that is that it would make you think that the market is shrinking, while in fact the core gaming market could be growing. It's just the casuals that have moved on.


I think that makes sense.  XBO/PS4 is growing, or at least selling faster than PS360 did for the first full year.    WiiU shrunk considerably, as you said much of its crowd left.

However Wii still shouldnt be ignored.  Its a part of history as well.  Some of the reason PS2 sold for example was because it was a cheap DVD player, but we shouldnt exclude people buying it for that reason either.  The market changes over the years but that is no reason to ignore the past either.




       

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Teeqoz on 05 September 2014
Carl2291 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

It's not about casuals gamers, it's about the software. Games like Destiny are considered hardcore, games lik eJust Dance are casual. The first isn't even released on a Nintendo console or would sell very well, the last one does.

Even if Nintendo would release something as big as Wii Sports for Wii-U and it would sell 100M+ it doesn't influence the release or development of games like Destiny.


Why does a lack of a few games mean they shouldnt be counted?

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platformmaster918 said:

it was an anomaly and not the product of a normal gaming market.  It had an abnormal selling pattern and sold to a different audience than ANY of the current consoles are aimed at.  In other words those people are not part of the gaming market they're just people who happened to buy one game console one time.  Hell some of the grandmas might not even be with us anymore


And how does this make the Wii a lesser console to the PS3 or Xbox 360, when both Sony and Microsoft were scrambling to rush out competing products to the Wii Controller?


Nobody's saying that it's a lesser console, but that if you want to know the actual size of the console market, and how stuff is selling compared to the size of the console market, then the Wii will make your numbers skewed because a lot of the Wii buyers won't ever buy another console.



eva01beserk on 05 September 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
eva01beserk said:

Not a good assuption as the wii was half the price as the 360 and amost a third of the ps3, People bought it early as to why the sales where so high, so everybody that wanted it got it early so no reason as to why it would sell continuosly. By the time the wii stoped selling it was almost 30-40m I think ahead of the competition. Casuals did left the wii, but gamers kept buying games and it reflected on sales, while dance games and other casual crap stoped selling, hardcore games like zelda, metroin and others kept selling well.

Really? So how many Wii games are at the top of the yearly charts for the last few years of the 7th gen compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360 then? Not many at all...

You mean like brawl who sold 12 million unit? or mari kart who sold 35? or zelda who sold 9m and 4m? mtroid over 2m? Or just look at this list wich includes wii sports for over 80m.

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/2/wii/ 



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 05 September 2014
Ka-pi96 said:

I wouldn't say don't include them, the Wii did get to those sales levels and that deserves to be recognised. But at the same time the reason it got to those levels is also very important, especially since it likely has something to do with the Wii Us struggles as well.

True, but it affects the Wii U and is affecting the Wii U, so it doesn't really have a bearing on the performance of the Wii.



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XanderXT on 05 September 2014

Why is everyone hating on the Wii? What did it ever do to you?



Maciveli on 05 September 2014

A bit surprising it is that PS4 is keeping up with the wii.

See no reason not to compare the two sales monsters. PS4 doing that at nearly double the wiis price is a testament to the PS brands strength.