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Mr Puggsly on 05 September 2014
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Israel are rich and powerful. The Palestinians are poor Arabs. The USA sides with the rich and powerful: Israel due to the USA having a lot of vested interests in Israel

The Palestinians being poor is fine. Its the rockets flying from Palestine to Israel is... problematic.



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Richard_Feynman on 05 September 2014
Goatseye said:
Richard_Feynman said:
 

 

Western culture gets so abused for slavery as well, but people don't know this (because they're ignorant):

- Arabs were trading slaves almost a THOUSAND years before the Europeans.

- An estimated 200 MILLION African slaves were traded by Arabs.

- These people were castrized immediately. That's why there are no Africans in Arab countries.

- Arabs had (way) more white slaves than whites had black slaves

- These Westerners that bought slaves bought them from Africans who were waging war amongst themselves.

- Who was it again who opposed slavery? Oh yes, Western society put that to an end.

I wish we weren't in the forum to tell you all you deserve to hear for this innacurate post (just to be polite).

You have no conclusive facts of of how many slaves Arabs trafficked.

Just because whites,blacks and yellow had slaves doesn't make it right for blue to have/had some. That's not an excuse of a reasonable human being.

Westerners did not buy slaves from Africans because the Africans that used to capture their brothers were already conquered by the Portuguese, Spanish,English, French, etc... this is what you hear here in US from people like you that tries to excuse the inhuman practice that was slavery.

The Portuguese still in the 1900, after forced by the UK to abolish slavery, created artificial famine in my country to transfer people to S.Tome and Principe to work on Cacao plantations for cents a day. That way they couldn't afford to buy out the contract and get a ticket back to my country.My great grandmother died while my grand father was very young (6-7) due to whip wounds, yes they used whips on the workers.

Reading your post and people comments of that nature, boils my blood to fury.

But it's all good, my grand father was a religious person (not me) and more tolerant than most peace loving folks I know.

Try and watch this factual presentation and tell me if it makes your blood boil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31E1gHowYcA

(Freedomain radio presentation by Stephan Molyneux entitled: The truth about slavery: Past, present and future.)



Richard_Feynman on 05 September 2014
curl-6 said:
Richard_Feynman said:

Their very culture and society is despicable to me (and I would argue objectively so). Let them kill their own children for wanting to not be Muslim (institutionalized in Muslim countries you know) and let them keep their woman as animals if they want. 

At the risk of sounding like a cultural imperialist, this is one thing I refuse to consider acceptable; the human rights abuses, particularly against women, that are rampant in the Middle East under the guise of Islam.

I would never, ever want to live in a country where female rape victims are put to death for adultery, or women have to be completely covered in public and escorted by a man. It's barbaric, and it makes the expansion of Islam a scary thought to me.

There I said it, call me a bigot if you will.


In the current socio-political climate you will most probably be called all sorts of things for stating these (factual) things.

I'm not sure what people think of Churchill, but there's this relevent (and pretty astounding) quote from him which is very, very much applicable to what's going on in European and US politics at the moment and thereby also relevant to Israel:

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

Churchill would've been villified had he lived in this day and age. But he sure as hell would have led a powerful country.



Richard_Feynman on 05 September 2014
NightDragon83 said:

Does Israel sponsor international terrorism?

Do Israelis celebrate and throw a party when people of the same faith carry out terror attacks against thousands of innocent civilians of all walks of life halfway around the globe?

Does Israel publicly state that their ultimate goal is to push the Palestinians into the sea?

Does the Israeli government spend all of its money / raw materials on weapons and terror network tunnels rather than infrastructure for its people?

Does the Israeli government / military use its own population as human shields and use schools and hospitals to launch attacks and store munitions?

No?

THAT is why Israel isn't heavily sanctioned.  To those of you who think that Israel is conducting a 2nd Holocaust against the Palestinians, a big f*ck you to you.

These statements are all I need to be 100% behind Israel's cause. One doesn't need to bother with historical disputes and proposed UN regulations when all of the above is so clearly true. 



Richard_Feynman on 05 September 2014
tiffac said:

Oh I love history but my question remains unanswered if Genocide is what Israel wants then why haven't they attacked the West Bank now? Its a simple question.

The point needs to be reiterated: If Israel wanted all the Palestinians dead then they'd be long gone by now. They could wipe them all out in a matter of days.



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Richard_Feynman on 05 September 2014
freedquaker said:

There are always civillian deaths? Is this an excuse? You are reading minds but the results are clear. The civillian deaths on the Palestinian side is about 100 times more. The children deaths are infinitely more. This is not a war, this is not even a massacre, this is pure genocide. The facts will not change however you try to spin it.

The point is that you need to have a little perspective:

- In the Iraq war there were about 133 000 civilian deaths. Compared to that, this is really nothing. How many civilians died in the celebrated Normandy assault? Over 50 000.

- In other words, civilians always die. That's the price of war. Now, when your agressors are harbouring their weopons systems - ON PURPOSE - in places highly populated with civilians then what does that say about them?

- When they actively use women and children as human shields what does that say about them? What does it say about their integrity and respect for their own people? Why on earth is the blame then solely on Israel? And why are you demonizing the side that is more powerful simply because they are more powerful and want to protect their people at the utmost cost ?



tiffac on 05 September 2014
Richard_Feynman said:
tiffac said:

Oh I love history but my question remains unanswered if Genocide is what Israel wants then why haven't they attacked the West Bank now? Its a simple question.

The point needs to be reiterated: If Israel wanted all the Palestinians dead then they'd be long gone by now. They could wipe them all out in a matter of days.


This is why I asked the question because for some Genocidal state they sure failed in accomplishing that literally like in decades.



Mr.L on 05 September 2014

Russia is illegally invading Ukraine to expand its forces, where Ukraine wants nothing to do with Russia.

Israel on the other hand was actually originally invaded by the Ancient Romans, taken over and then given to the syrians and renamed it palestine. So actually there is no such thing as palestine, they're just syrians..

Even then as for the killing thousands of civillians, it was 600 and that was because the Gazan government was forcing its civilians to act as human shields, 'protecting' rockets that were placed in hospitals and schools

Even then, the UN held a vote unrightfully holding Israel against doing war crimes; naturally the selection of countries used to vote were almost all islamic, which would obviously vote against Israel. Israel was defending itself against Hamas who was firing rockets into Israel intentionally trying to killed civilians, while Israel was purely aiming at the terrorists, where there were civilians placed intentionally where they had to fire to stop the terrorists.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about mate and you have no clue how to define reality from delusion.

As for the Russian situation you poorly described, the US and NATO have done very little to stand up against Russia as they're too weak politically and I'd love to see you living in Ukraine and say that this threat hasn't even "materialized yet"



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Kratos on 05 September 2014

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1eph4q_bbc-louis-theroux-ultra-zionists-pdtv-xvid_tech

I recommend people to watch this documentary from Louis Theroux. People who pretend that Israel only consists of saints are dead wrong.

Im not condoning Hamas or hating on Israel. Im just saying that both sides have extremists and both sides are to blame for what is happening in Gaza. The real victims here are the innocent civilians from Israel and gaza.



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curl-6 on 05 September 2014
Richard_Feynman said:
curl-6 said:
Richard_Feynman said:

Their very culture and society is despicable to me (and I would argue objectively so). Let them kill their own children for wanting to not be Muslim (institutionalized in Muslim countries you know) and let them keep their woman as animals if they want. 

At the risk of sounding like a cultural imperialist, this is one thing I refuse to consider acceptable; the human rights abuses, particularly against women, that are rampant in the Middle East under the guise of Islam.

I would never, ever want to live in a country where female rape victims are put to death for adultery, or women have to be completely covered in public and escorted by a man. It's barbaric, and it makes the expansion of Islam a scary thought to me.

There I said it, call me a bigot if you will.


In the current socio-political climate you will most probably be called all sorts of things for stating these (factual) things.

I'm not sure what people think of Churchill, but there's this relevent (and pretty astounding) quote from him which is very, very much applicable to what's going on in European and US politics at the moment and thereby also relevant to Israel:

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

Churchill would've been villified had he lived in this day and age. But he sure as hell would have led a powerful country.

At 25, I am a Liberal, I'm just not an absolutist black-and-white Liberal.