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Zadainie on 05 September 2014



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Zadainie on 05 September 2014

What happens when the company decides  to make DLC exclusive to the subscription?Isolating those who can't afford or have no interest in EA access.Huh?



Jazz2K on 05 September 2014
Zadainie said:

What happens when the company decides  to make DLC exclusive to the subscription?Isolating those who can't afford or have no interest in EA access.Huh?


The same as when companies like either MS or Sony makes eclusive DLC for multiplat games, isolating those who can't affort or have no interest in the other console... Huh? They would be stupid to do this though and I hope when/if they do people will be vocal. 

You know I hope you really dislike every kind of subscription based models since you seem to really think subs offer only bad services. 



NobleTeam360 on 06 September 2014
Fusioncode said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Zadainie said:

Question aswering a question?

Go buy them then. Better?

You asked another question. 

Yeah but it wasn't a question answering a question



Wonktonodi on 06 September 2014

glad your friends got something they find to be good value. As I'm sure there are many gamers out there who will.

For someone like me though who plays pretty much no sports games and almost no racing games or fps. It wouldn't be much value. They would have to put there RPGs and DeadSpace in the vault to get the value I'd want out of it and many of those I already got from Plus.



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eva01beserk on 06 September 2014
Jazz2K said:
Nicklesbe said:
Jazz2K said:

How is this "games behind a paywall" exactly? It's not like you can't buy these games otherwise now. And you guys like to be pessimistic about anything.  Some people see value behind this service and they don't constantly spell doom and gloom.

Fixed that for you. What you don't seem to understand, and fail to learn from recent history of DLC increase its that this practice WILL lead to all games from that publisher being behind that paywall. Sure they will give you a 10% discount but good luck playing the game/multiplayer/dlc without owning the subscription.

You mean that unless you subs to EAA you will not be able to buy any of their games? When we'll get there we'll talk. Until then don't act like it's fact.

Maybe you have heard this poem before by  Martin Niemöller.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

If you wait for things to get bad and affect you directly its going to be to late by then. The same thing that happened with DLC.

This will happen in stages like it was mentioned before. First you wont be able to purchase DLC day one without it. Second there will be exclusive content. Third they will lock existing contet with out it. Then you will only be able to get the game with it. Finaly every third party publisher will do the same and to enjoy diferent games you will need like over $200 a year in subs to play.



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eva01beserk on 06 September 2014
Jazz2K said:
Zadainie said:

What happens when the company decides  to make DLC exclusive to the subscription?Isolating those who can't afford or have no interest in EA access.Huh?


The same as when companies like either MS or Sony makes eclusive DLC for multiplat games, isolating those who can't affort or have no interest in the other console... Huh? They would be stupid to do this though and I hope when/if they do people will be vocal. 

You know I hope you really dislike every kind of subscription based models since you seem to really think subs offer only bad services. 

Then you admit that was a bad practice. That should have never been allowed to happen. Now fate gave us a chance to prevent another evil from rising, we need to stop them now before its to late.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

eva01beserk on 06 September 2014
Jazz2K said:
Nicklesbe said:
Jazz2K said:


So according to you any kind of subs is bad and will lead to "kill" the industry? You know that PS+ and XBLG offer you random games for one month while EAA you get access to games in the vault. I'd rather know what I'm getting than not.

I will act like it's not happening right now. I'm not attached to consoles as much as some of you are. I want to play games that's all and if a service allows me to play games at a decent price then why not? If I don't see value in a service I don't subscribe that's all. No need to speculate about how bad it could become. I could instead speculate how good it is right now.


That's not what I'm saying at all, however your lack of understanding explains a lot. Read the TOS if you can't see that this is a push for new DRM that will put access to major portions all the games from that publisher behind a subscription wall like the two of the biggest console platforms have done with multiplayer, then you are likely blinded by bias.

"attached to consoles as much as some of you are" I own every console from last gen and this gen except for a ouya and a steam machine. I care about games before anything else and this will only hurt games. You are obviously overly attached to the XB1 because you are desperately trying to find a reason to support it and set it apart. Using anecdotal evidence from a negligibly small group of people in order to try and say that this sells consoles and will lead to Xb1's eventual success. Which at best is unsubstantiated.


Ok so I did go read the TOS... where I think you have a problem with is these lines 

"EA may revise these Terms at any time in its sole discretion."

"EA reserves the right to change and update the EA Access Services, and the EA Content offered through the EA Access Services without any liability to you. In particular, Vault Titles are subject to change and may be removed, and the online services for certain Vault Titles may be discontinued. In the event that EA changes the EA Access Services, including the removal of Vault Titles or discontinuation of online services for certain Vault Titles, we will provide thirty (30) days advance notice to you by posting a notice onhttp://www.ea.com/eaaccess."

http://www.ea.com/eaaccess/terms.html

 

Then I went on reading other TOS just to compare. It happens every TOS I read said basically the same. All of them can change their policy at any given time (I imagine it's for legal purposes). Y read Xbox Live, iTunes, Netflix, PSNow.

As for your last comment... I get that sometimes I tend to defend Xbox more than any other consoles. The thing is I don't care about the stupid war I care only about the games where ever they are. Last gen I had all three platforms and played mostly on Xbox. Gen 6 and before that I also had almost all of them and couldn't care less about people's constant bashing other consoles. This gen I recieved a X1 from a friend, a gift and while I think it's a great console I couldn't stand the constant bashing for no reason. I don't think EAA will lead MS to some unrealistic hight numers but I think it will help them just like it did with two of my friends.

I will eventualy get both a WiiU and PS4 later this gen and I don't think going back to gen 6 PS2 domination is good, especialy when you think about PSNow and that Sony want to provide gaming without a console for next gen. Competition is good, and currently it shows.

Then your just admiting that you only like it because you think it will help the x1. We sould not think like that. Thats like sighning a deal with the devil, its all sunshine and raimbows now, but in the future we will all have to pay for it just because people like you cling to desperation and pushed something that will affect us all. I also want all 3 to succed because gen 6 was awfull and 7 when everithing was equall was the best. But this is not the way to move. It will help the x1 sure, but the total amount of gamers will move away from consoles gaming because of it.



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eva01beserk on 06 September 2014
dreamcast210 said:
BMaker11 said:
dreamcast210 said:
All the negativity people have toward EA Access reminds me of the original Xbox days when Splinter Cell 2 had some DLC come out and it cost $5. People were up in arms complaining, saying they wouldn't buy it.

Fast forward to now and few expect not to pay for DLC. It's a standard.

EA Access (more likely something akin to it in a subscription model) is a future we'll all come to accept in five years. Get over it.

Yea, the above is standard now. And it sucks. Don't tell people to "get over it" when we see a shitty practice coming from miles away. You know what happened when you "got over it"? On-disc DLC; content already on the disc, locked behind a paywall. DLC for Day 1 purchases; punishing people for not buying the game at launch. DLC planned before the game even releases; content which they could have just put into the game that's still being developed. Being complacent and "getting over it" allowed this crap to become the norm.

If bullshit is preventable, then you should fight against it by all means, not "get over it" and let it become standard. Otherwise, the Xbox One, for example, would have its original vision fulfilled and we'd all have to just "deal with it" being the standard for video games, moving forward. Imagine how you'd react if the attitude to 24-hour check in and other forms of DRM was "get over it". Actually, I'm pretty sure that's what MS said (well if you can't deal with XBone and 24 hour check-ins, we still have a great platform called Xbox 360) and there was outrage.

All that matters is money. That's it. Fight something all you want, nothing is going to happen unless the corporation making the money starts losing it. That's what happened with the Xbox One. The preorders went down the toilet and the PS4 was raised up to be the savior of the console race. So Microsoft had to change their tune.

Mob psychology is a funny thing. The mob of people all have to move in the same direction to make a change happen. No single person's protest on a matter will change anything.  And in this case, as has been established in other forms of entertainment like movies and music, the mob will speak with their wallets. Their wallets are going to accept this change.

So keep fighting your fight. But it's a pointless fight because you're at the mercy of the thinking of the entire video game playing population that consists of casual and hardcore players. That's why I say, "Get over it.

PLease read my previous commet with the  Martin Niemöller poem.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

eva01beserk on 06 September 2014
prinz_valium said:
Nicklesbe said:
prinz_valium said:


because so many people spray shit over in the internet maybe

u can play all these games als long, as u subscribe (like ps+ and gwg on xb1)  and as long as they are in the vault  (ea stated they have no intention to ever remove a game from the vault)

u can even play them offline without a 24h online check or anything.

There are pleanty of times they stated they had no intention of doing something before they did it in the future. It's not like ps+ or gwg. That vault is a pretty big and considerable difference. What matters is what TOS says which is actually a binding contract between you and them which states they can and will remove games from the vault at any time for what ever reason or no reason. Their statement of what their intentions may or may not be is not a contract, verbal or otherwsie and that is something important to note.


and? ps+ or gwg service can be shut down, too. so u cant paly any games any more. just as an worst case szenario (only the xb360 is an exception. u still can play the games even if ms going bankrupt

its the same

if u dont trust ea, dont subscribe

if they put down some games or break theire word, stop ur subscription

 

its so easy.

 

 

what about all the online server for old games. gt5 as example

they will be shut down. schould everyone stop buying a new gt for that reason?

 

 

thats the best part of subcriptions. if they do anything u dont like u can stop it.

if they do anything u dont like for an game u bought, u wont get ur money back form the company

Not so simple. By the time they do something that is starting to look ovbious that their drying your cash by not ofering anything worthwhile its going to be to late. All other publishers have done it and it will have become the standard. We need to stand for it now and not wait for it to become hell.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.