Man please stop trying to spin what I said... I said that IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF they decided to cycle, but kept the same value no one would complain and the value would still be the same, because you won't need FIFA 14, 15, 16, 17 on the vault when Fifa 18 cames in (and of course EA can decide to keep all of them). What I said is that they could do that, and that they could take out value from the access (or add value there by taking value of other products putting them behind paid wall), but yes... you can keep spinning and distorting to make your point.

And again, PS+ users expect 72 games a year fo 50 bucks, so 5 games for 30 bucks isn't the value they are used to get. But yes you can keep spinning on saying sony or myself said EAA have no value instead of less value than what PS+ already give... and just in case Crysis and other EA games were on PS+ before so by having EAA besides that would mean that what before costed you 50 will now cost you 80... but yes that aint less value.

I'll wait to see you bashing MS for their bad PR and other BS... since I haven't saw you done that yet, altough with your low post count maybe I just haven't saw you in any other thread... but haven't saw you on DRM and kinect forced bundle.

Stop saying if to make a point when there is a statement saying otherwise. I remember keeping MLB '04 for the longest time because it was the only game that still had the Montreal Expos. Gamers will find value in one version of a game over another.... they could play Fifa 14 just because of one player that's not on the roster of a newer version. So there is always value to older games. I have cousins that are part of the minor league roster in the NHL '07 & '08.  

Sony used to not charge for their online service in order to charge customer they brought in a new service called PS+. This service was amazing giving access to full retail game for a very cheap low price of $50/year. I never owned a sony console but I know that PS+ is great value and I would love the service.

Having said that now ignore PS+ and look at what you’re getting for Ea Access.... $30.year or 5$/month..... You get five retail games. Fifa 14, Madden25, Peggle 2, Battlefield 4 and Need for speed rival. If none of these game interests you and you don't want to take part of the trial. You don't buy EA Access and you haven't spent a penny **GREAT VALUE- cost you nothing**. But, If you were interested in anyone of these game how much would you have to spend at retail to buy it? Certainly more than 5$.... you can play the heck out of Need for speed rivals for a month and never give EA further money. You've gotten plenty of VALUE.  If you're like me and interest in more than 3 of these games, love the 6-hour trial of games... I'm getting insane amount of value out of 29.99$ .. Heck I though the service should cost $49.99/year and still think its great value.

I think I've made my case on DRM.... I love DRM ... I can't wait to get away from our reliance on Retail and the useless need for disc. I don't like reselling my game simply a waste of my time, discs are vulnerable to damage and clutter my living space, I much prefer digital. Because of gamers reliance on disc based and their ability to resell game ... console sell game digitally at a premium and  I would much rather do away with disc entire and bring down the overall cost of digital games.

I own the Kinect you don't... you probably haven't really spent much amount of time with it. By now we know that Microsoft is charging around 50-100$ for the Kinect (Early adopter paid $100, new bundle get a free game worth around $50) I got the Titan fall bundle..... (399.99 Xbox one, Titanfall Digital $50 and $50 Kinect) Great value.....  What is the Kinect and what does it offer. As a game controller it's good enough to replace the controller but it's great for game like Just dance and fitness games other not too demanding input games. What makes it important is it comes with a camera (needed for twitch, skype, in game features), Kinect enable voice command - these features actually enhance the experience on the xbox one creating shortcut and easy navigation that is far superior to just having the controller. Kinect as seamless face recognition.... I have three xbox one profile and not once did I need to logging under my name because of the Kinect face recognition.    

We all agree that the original Xbox One bundle at $499 was overpriced compare to PS4 when it first release because of the Kinect and there was a $40 mark up compared to the PS4. But now that they included a game in the bundle they have reach price parity with the PS4.  What's $40 for a console that you will own for 5-6 years?

Okay I proved my point before and just secured that you approve anything MS, good... no further use for this discussion.

Except that my primary console is the wiiU of which I own over 20 games and for the record EA Access is from EA not Microsoft. 

Okay I proved my point before and just secured that you approve anything MS, good... no further use for this discussion.

Uh, pointing out that DLC existed for years on PC before it showed up on console is not a comparison. However, pointing out the difference in price and substance of PC DLC vs console DLC, as you did, is an actual comparison. Hope that helps.

Also, you don't seem to know anything about Madden or the demo/time trial. So why you would call someone giving you facts "spinning" is beyond me. Madden 25 had no demo. Madden 15 doesn't either. My guess is Madden 16 probably won't either. And no, the 6 hour time trial is not "almost a demo". It was complete access to the game, except Ultimate Team. It was infinitely more in depth than a demo. A demo in Madden is typically 2 minute quarters with 1 or 2 team matchups and only local MP. This is, of course, speaking as someone who actually played it and knows what he is talking about. If anyone is spinning here, it would be you ;)

IDGAF about any of the PS4 stuff you just typed, I haven't said a word about PS4 or Sony in this thread. Per usual, it seems I am arguing logic and reality in this thread, you're focused on looking into your crystal ball and make believe.

Oh and now EA will just drop Xbone support if MS didn't allow them to start the service. Makes complete sense for a company to just erase entirely that huge pool of potential sales with nothing in return. Completely the same as the WiiU. I mean, I guess it's a little different. EA's 7th best selling Xbone title still outsold EA's #1 selling WiiU title, but who cares about logic?

Lol is that the best you can do? How did you come up to that conclusion? Is it possible to end up saying you on the other hand try to disprove anything MS? Even if the service is from EA? Let me tell you something, even if the deal was exclusive to Playstation I'm sure those defending the service would still think it's decent value. But I get the feeling you would just change your tune had it been Playstation exclusive. Hope other publishers jump on this and then Sony to finaly accept just to see your reaction...

I gave up on this a while ago. But I came acroos this vid thats very old. Start waching around 4:30.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0 

This video was just at the anouncedment, ps now was not even known about yet, I think, not sure. But the thing is that joe predicted this 1.5 years ago and whos joe to predict this kind of stuff? Just a gamer with an opinion. So when others more qualifyed(not me, like yoshid and others who do research and shit) tell you its going to happen, that all other third partys will do it, that gamers will be put of, that console gaming will die or get seriously hurt, at least consider it.

P.S. Ignore that hes Bashing MS, we know they changed all their policys since reveal but its not about that, its about how he predicted something like EA acces would come even on MS only.

Sorry but I started at 4:30 like you said and made it about three and a half minutes before I could not stomach any more of Joe's idiotic shtick, maybe just direct link to when he talks about EA Access? I only heard him make two predictions:

You'll have to pay to borrow a friends game (DRM related, reversed)
You'll have to pay an extra fee to use NFL on Xbone (nope, completely free)

I will "at least consider it" when somone puts forth a logical explanation of why they would do it.