wiiu gc n64 snes nes all sold and are selling on their on merits, they all were normal consoles and lacked the fad aspect.

Using wii to argue anything pro wiiu shows you are out of touch with the situation you are discussing and are going of hoeps and dreams and are searching for a miracle.  

You need to get real, wiiu is a low demend product and nothing will change that.  Ninty wont even give wiiu their 100% as their efferts are split between handheld and console, and simply their handhelds efferts are far more liekly to succed then their wiiu ones.  

Zelda and Smash I agree but Metroid hasn't ever really been a huge system seller.

The GameCube did have 3rd party support and did bad, but without 3rd party support it would have probably been much worse.

The Wii had third party support. More than half of the sold Wii games were third party (~500 million units of ~900 million units).

But only 25% of the WiiU software sales (~7 million units of ~28 million units) are third party and the ratio will probably fall under 20% in the next years.

Seems Nintendo don't really need 3party. They fund some interesting games like Devil's Third or Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2.

Nintendo don't want the typical CoD audience, these type of gamers will never buy a Wii U. But they want the families and mature sophisticated gamers. The steadily rising Wii U sales seems to indicate that they get these gamers.

The Wii U does not need 40 mio sales to be a success. Nintendo earned more money with the gamecube than Sony with Playstation 2, mainly because Nintendo made the successful games of the console themselves. 

Seems like everything people say Wii U can or will do xb one and PS4 can and will also do. Price cuts, exciting games etc, Wii U isn't operating in it's own bubble. 

With games like SSB people say gamers wait to buy the console until SSB comes out, but surely there is a large cross over between MK8 players and SSB. 

You also have to consider how much Wii really expanded the fanbase for these iconic franchises. How much of an attitude of seen one Mk / SSB seen 'em all is out there among the GC buyers of those franchises and the franchise virgins who only came on board with Wii? If VGC is to be believed SSB only expanded by about 5 million units between GC and Wii, which means not much expansion compared to Wii vs GC install base. And we also know that games like MK and SSB sell big on a relatively small install base, while not doing all that much to expand the install base. SSB may sell 6 million plus units, but that will only help get Wii U to GC level sales. For it to actually drive Wii U sales beyond GC it would need to sell 10-12 million.

Other games from Nintendo will come and they will do well, but that happened with GC too. Other games come to other platforms and they do well also.

On price, Wii U is already the cheapest console on the market, and the other consoles will cut price too. MS and Sony have more head room for price reductions so even if Wii U drops in price by $50 next year it is guaranteed Xb one will do the same, if not $100 and PS4 will almost certainly get a $50 shave.

A game changer is what Nintendo needs to bloom late. Not standard tactics of more Nintendo games from the same franchises and price cuts. Perhaps there is something out there that will change the game but I haven't seen it.

Amiibo appeals to the core nintendo fanbase, I'm not sure it appeals more broadly than that.

Fact is Nintendo's core fanbase is in the 20 millions, and so is Xbox's. So far there is nothing coming that I can see which significantly appeals to the swing market.

I think today's console demographic has a lot of fathers who are in their late 20s and early 30s and old goats like me. It is them, not their kids, who make the console decision now. If they can afford it they buy their console plus the Nintendo one for the kids, but most families can't afford it, or don't feel it's justified, and so the dad makes the choice, and most of those dads were teen gamers in the PS2 era. So they will mostly go with PS4 and keep family unity by buying one or two kiddie games.

This is not a recipe for a Wii U late bloom. 

Yeah, so that's not true. Nintendo made more money in the GC era because they had the GBA on the side.

Also nice backhanded insult, of course gamers that like third party games can't be mature, all those "mature sophisticated gamers" are being pulled in by Nintendo.

comparing WIi U to PS3 only makes WIi U look worse, not really doing the system any favors there.

50mil is absurd, OP literally has no ideas to back up that crazy number. 30mil might be possible. People putting way too much faith in Smash that series isnt anywhre near as big as Mario Kart and that game only managed to increase the base to about 60k. Not to mention there is a 3ds version that is sure to eat in the sales of the WIi U one. So whatever impact it would have had would be lessened.

Stop turning Nintendo into a victim. They have to bear the consequences of their own business decisions just like every other company.

Also, you are manipulating saying that "GCN had good 3rd party support". In the past 3rd party wasn't what it became in the PS360 era. Back in the day 3rd party exclusives were the norm, now a 3rd party exclusive is breaking news. We now live in the era of 3rd party multiplats, but Nintendo gimped its consoles and pushed itself out of this mainstream. While everyone knows that 95% of games on PS360 and on PS4One are gonna be the same and the few exclusives will make the difference, Nintendo has to deal with the fact, that they are the odd man out, not capable of running these 95% of games.

It would really be interesting if Wii U was on par with PS4One, being able to run 3rd party multiplats and joining the fight with Sony and MS in the field of exclusives. I think the result would be much better than what the Wii U has become.

what does this even mean? pretty sure Wii sold on motion control first and foremost. If it really sold on Ninty merits why is the WIi U doing so bad and n64 and Cube got slaughtered

what ?