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jigokutamago on 31 August 2014
akhmenhawk said:
Nintentacle said:

I say that nothing can't create everything, you say the idea that a being can snap and create everything out of thin air is ridicuous, I say that you believe that the Universe appeared out of thin air.

Not out of thin air, but by following the laws of quantum mechanics. Nothing transforms into something all the time. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that a system can never have precisely zero energy and since energy and mass are equivalent, pairs of particles can form spontaneously as long as they annihilate one another very quickly.

The only problem is that this only goes a little bit farther down the endless chain of causality.

Where does the universe come from?

big bang

Where does the Big Band come from?

nothing because quantum mechanics

Where does quantum mechanics come from?

"insert reason I don't know"

Where does "insert reason I don't know" come from?

"insert reason I don't know"

Where does "insert reason I don't know" come from?

"insert reason I don't know"

This keeps repeating until we reach something that does not follow causality.

Some people think this phenomenon has a will and some people don't.



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Nintentacle on 31 August 2014
C64 said:

Nintentacle said:

If there is no Universe, can the Universe create itself?

Counter questions can't distract me. So can you prove that?

I answered your question with another question. It is not a distraction.

If you can't answer my question to you, that is my proof.



C64 on 31 August 2014
Nintentacle said:
C64 said:

Nintentacle said:

By not believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by absolutely nothing.

By believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by a powerful being/s.


Wrong again.  As an atheist I do not believe in the existence of deities. The end.

As a scientifically thinking person I am humble and honest enough to admit that I do now know yet just exactly how everything was created. Further research is needed.

Many religious people though are pretentious as they believe to know the only correct answer. They can't prove a thing and ignore well-established facts. They even make fun of things they don't even want to understand. That's what I call ridiculous.

Then you can't say there is no God, because you don't know for sure how the Universe happened.

Then you can't say there's no Flying Spaghetti Monster. See: You don't need to prove the non-existance of things, you need to prove the existance of things. And I can make up a thousand funny things in mere seconds - things you won't be able to prove their non-existance of. What does that prove? Nothing



C64 on 31 August 2014
Nintentacle said:
C64 said:

Nintentacle said:

If there is no Universe, can the Universe create itself?

Counter questions can't distract me. So can you prove that?

I answered your question with another question. It is not a distraction.

If you can't answer my question to you, that is my proof.

I asked first. So... your turn. Otherwise it's pure distraction.



Nintentacle on 31 August 2014
C64 said:

Nintentacle said:

Then you can't say there is no God, because you don't know for sure how the Universe happened.

Then you can't say there's no Flying Spaghetti Monster. See: You don't need to prove the non-existance of things, you need to prove the existance of things. And I can make up a thousand funny things in mere seconds - things you won't be able to prove their non-existance of. What does that prove? Nothing

Proving it is real would be the exact same thing as proving it isn't. Either way, you're still looking for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.



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Puppyroach on 31 August 2014
Nintentacle said:
C64 said:

Nintentacle said:

Then you can't say there is no God, because you don't know for sure how the Universe happened.

Then you can't say there's no Flying Spaghetti Monster. See: You don't need to prove the non-existance of things, you need to prove the existance of things. And I can make up a thousand funny things in mere seconds - things you won't be able to prove their non-existance of. What does that prove? Nothing

Proving it is real would be the exact same thing as proving it isn't. Either way, you're still looking for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

So, according to you, since noone has proven that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist, it does because someone believes it? :)



Nintentacle on 31 August 2014
C64 said:
Nintentacle said:

I answered your question with another question. It is not a distraction.

If you can't answer my question to you, that is my proof.

I asked first. So... your turn. Otherwise it's pure distraction.

Fair enough.

You won't understand this at all, but something that doesn't exist cannot create itself because it didn't exist. It's that simple. 



Nintentacle on 31 August 2014
Puppyroach said:

Nintentacle said:

 Proving it is real would be the exact same thing as proving it isn't. Either way, you're still looking for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

So, according to you, since noone has proven that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist, it does because someone believes it? :)

No. I'm saying you can't claim the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist for the reason that no one has ever seen it. That doesn't mean you have to believe it exist.



ninjaman003 on 31 August 2014
C64 said:
Nintentacle said:
C64 said:

Nintentacle said:

By not believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by absolutely nothing.

By believing in the existence of a deity/ies, you believe that everything was created out of thin air, by a powerful being/s.


Wrong again.  As an atheist I do not believe in the existence of deities. The end.

As a scientifically thinking person I am humble and honest enough to admit that I do now know yet just exactly how everything was created. Further research is needed.

Many religious people though are pretentious as they believe to know the only correct answer. They can't prove a thing and ignore well-established facts. They even make fun of things they don't even want to understand. That's what I call ridiculous.

Then you can't say there is no God, because you don't know for sure how the Universe happened.

Then you can't say there's no Flying Spaghetti Monster. See: You don't need to prove the non-existance of things, you need to prove the existance of things. And I can make up a thousand funny things in mere seconds - things you won't be able to prove their non-existance of. What does that prove? Nothing

Have you ever seen Abraham Lincoln. Has someone actually proved to you that he exists? All we have are historical documents about him and lineages that remember their ancestors interacting with them. What more proof do we have of Abraham Lincoln than God?



MARCUSDJACKSON on 31 August 2014

There was light before the darkness. Lucifer fell to god, and then came the darkness Lucifer is the God(angel blah blah blah) of light, who was weakend by his fall from heaven, creating the darkness.



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