id be happy if sony found a way to ban people using these and those modded controllers while playing online.  ive ran into a few people who have used handguns that shoot like AR's or LMGs in CoD  1 admitted using a rapid fire mod on his controller.

Obviously anything with software can have DRM on it, that was the point I was making. 

And yes I'm aware of what DRM stands for, thank you. People are just overreacting because the word has such a stigma. I used the term because it is the most easy to understand analog with regards to how they are ensuring that a DS4 is hooked up. Its not exactly the same, but outside of the fact that it doesn't require a network connection, its basically the same concept. Frequent check ins to ensure legitimacy.

Seems more like you used the word DRM to get people surprised, and make them read this thread, while you know they were expecting something entirely different than your "controller DRM".

I've been gaming since the Atari days, and the controllers they had back then were god-awful. The NES controller was a revolution and there wasn't any going back to big, bulky Atari-style joysticks.

And other than the NES days, when Nintendo had almost total control of the industry, there's always been debate over controllers. The Genesis had a three-button controller that crippled it somewhat when it came to the most popular third-party games of the 16-bit era, Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat. The SNES had enough buttons to play those games and was in fact nicely laid out for Mortal Kombat. So Sega made a six-button controller with the Street Fighter II layout. There was actually a fair bit of debate among gamers about 16-bit controllers. Then there was the N64 with its analog stick and the Rumble Pak, which caused Sony to release the Dual Shock controller.

I'll admit the the N64 controller did make me go "WTF was nintendo thinking". WIth that said I still had no issue using it and once I started playing didn't care much.

The NES controller was perfect for its time period. As games evolved the best controller fot its era actually was the DualShock. Yes, despite this thread, I do think the DualShock is a great controller.... for platformers. That is what it was designed for and that is what it was perfect for. Back in those days I never had a problem with the DualShock because it was perfect for the kinds of games being made. Unfortunately the design has not evolved enough since then. Now that platformers are no longer the most dominant genre, it makes no sense for the d-pad to be taking up the most prominent position on the controller. 

Stop being so stubborn and actually give the DS4 a chance, how long have you used it 5, 10, 15 minutes?!

Can I use ds3 or 4 on x360 and x1?

The Ds4 is the best console controller ever, the touch pad is not wasted space, if it was any smaller it would be too small.  It would be this size anyway. It is an extra button and has tonnes of practical uses like in FF14. it is used in every game, and allows for the share button to exist.

It doesn't need batteries, or an optional charge kit, analog sticks are great, great triggers, perfect size (360 and x1 always been too bulky), and has the best d-pad, it is better overall then any xbox controller because it is excellent for all games, Xbox controllers always sucked for anything not a FPS.

You have to be mentally slow to have issues using different controllers, it's not hard. On PC I have used dozens, they are all easy to adjust to and are all very similar.

Seriously if you have trouble using Ds4 i'd go to see if you have a learning disability.

Borrowed my friends PS4 and used it for 4 days. The triggers and shoulder buttons are a huge improvement over the DS3 and it feels a lot less like a plastic kids toy but it is still the same archaic design. People often talk about symmetrical sticks vs assymetrical sticks but I think that misses the point. The real reason why the xbox controllers are better (imo) is because they put the most commonly used controls in dominant positions. Positions that your thumb will naturally gravitate towards. The d-pad is not very commonly used in modern games, yet it is still taking up prime real-estate on the DS4. Why?

The amount of gimmicks on the controller is also really annonying. Atleast with the sixaxis it didn't have any noticable affect on the layout. This time Sony has dropped a completely pointless touchpad smackdab in the middle of the controller forcing the start button into a really awkward position. I'm also not happy that there is a dedicated button on the controller for something I have absolutely no intention of ever using. Its awkward placement on the controller thanks to the equally gimmicky touchpad has led me to press it by accident on several occasions. The lightbar serves no purpose other than draining the battery and the mic is just another useless add on. The only thing missing is the kitchen sink.