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Nicklesbe said:
WoW did neither of you read the kotaku post? She didn't use her body to get reviews. The case has been closed. She had a romantic relationship with a man and it was not for personal gain and she was single at the time. The rest is unfounded nonsense made up by other people, or the words of a pissed off and jealous ex boyfriend.


I think you didnt follow the story very well, it's french but go check links there : http://www.gameblog.fr/blogs/seishou/p_107747_une-inde-couche-avec-un-journaliste-de-kotaku-en-echange-de- , at least the story is not censored in France so we can get real informations on it

It's not closed  or unfounded at all, there are a lot of proofs and it's not because kotaky conveniently say it's false that everything is false, dont be naive.



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Nicklesbe said:
WoW did neither of you read the kotaku post? She didn't use her body to get reviews. The case has been closed. She had a romantic relationship with a man and it was not for personal gain and she was single at the time. The rest is unfounded nonsense made up by other people, or the words of a pissed off and jealous ex boyfriend.

except,  you are being selectively forgetful of a stated timeline,  and that Nathan posts not only on kotaku but RPS too. 

Scrolling through zoe's interactions also shows communication between her and the girlfriend of one of the men she slept with. 

 

While it is indeed true who or how many people she slept with is nobodies business,  and frankly it doesnt really matter if those events occured just for sex or to further her own career,  it does not sanctify her actions,  especially given her outwardly vocal stance on the very things she has been accused,  and in most case been found undeniably guilty on. 

 

Of course,  if you believe a persons actions contradicting their carefully crafted public image is out of context then the issue is yours. 

 

Wether or not you like it,  the issue has been made public, and she has and continues to engage with people on the topic,  publicly,  thus the topic is debatable.  repeatedly decrying those doing just that and labeling anyone that doesn't agree with your stance as a misogynist or MRA flag-flier makes you no better than the very people you're labeling,  assuming they were even deserving of the label to begin with. 

but hey,  it's perfectly okay for you to make that call,  without any facts,  and without knowledge of that person,  but not okay for those you are labeling to do the same,  with detailed outlines of a persons actions which can in most cases be corroborated or confirmed. 

 

your double standards are for the most part,  very reflective of the current social justice trend. 



celador said:
Yeah the gaming subs on reddit are in meltdown.

And the reason that this is getting played down and attempted to be covered up is because it involves a woman. She will be the victim in all this by tomorrow guranteed


If that shit was a male editor there would be fire works going off right about now. Hope other female editors call her ass out on that shit, but that aint going to happen. They will all instead just ban together and blame the "Patriarchy" for the current situation and for her being a w@#$e.

 

It must suck giving dudes head for money, and it must suck getting head for a better score. Gives the term "good head game" new meaning.

And shame on the men for taking advantage.



Nicklesbe said:
That settles it then. Now that we know no unethical behavior was done then this topics relevance has ended. Can it now finally be locked and we get back to talking about gaming instead of people inserting themselves into the sex lives of others for the purpose of simply bashing a female in the game industry for simply being female and having personal and private relationships with others.

not really there's still evidence that contradicts what you're saying

 

and id just like to say that the funny thing about jumping to a woman's defense simply because she's a woman is that it actually doesn't help her ( or yourself for that matter ) in anyway...

for one thing taking accountablitiy away from anyone is actually taking power away from them because you're essentially saying they are irresponsible and therefore they must have external aid in navigating through situations just like a child would

and its because of that that women ( understandably ) generally do not respond well to people who do this because especially now in this society we are supposed to be empowering women, in that we're making sure they have more choices and that when they make them they can own their choices and grow as a result... there is no growth when someone isn't help accountable



o_O.Q said:

and id just like to say that the funny thing about jumping to a woman's defense simply because she's a woman is that it actually doesn't help her ( or yourself for that matter ) in anyway...

It's actually, when you think about it, "chosing to defend someone based solely on gender", which is inherantly sexist.



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Tamron said:

as someone who spent so much of her time vocally slaughtering infidelity i find this outcome highly amusing.

the following campaign to erase the event from the face of the internet, ignoring all manner of rules, regulations and decency only further underlines how retarded placing people on a pedastal is.

sadly nobody, not even zoe, will learn from this and her actions will not only be forgiven but encouraced by the droves of defenders, and in the end things will just become worse off.

My wife,  who is an active game dev has this take on the topic:

"using the topic of misogyny and the femenist movement to contradict what you stand for to suit your needs at a given monent is sickening, were this a male indie dev discovered to have done the same things the difference would be the lynchmob would be the media and not 4chan.

The fight for equality each day slides closer and closer to the fight for power and dominance, enforced in full by the apologist media and the fear to point out bullshit behaviour unless it's a target everyone can safely shit on, namely, a man. "




Tachikoma said:
o_O.Q said:

and id just like to say that the funny thing about jumping to a woman's defense simply because she's a woman is that it actually doesn't help her ( or yourself for that matter ) in anyway...

It's actually, when you think about it, "chosing to defend someone based solely on gender", which is inherantly sexist.


lol ironically people that do this don't even realise this



Tamron said:
Nicklesbe said:
WoW did neither of you read the kotaku post? She didn't use her body to get reviews. The case has been closed. She had a romantic relationship with a man and it was not for personal gain and she was single at the time. The rest is unfounded nonsense made up by other people, or the words of a pissed off and jealous ex boyfriend.

except,  you are being selectively forgetful of a stated timeline,  and that Nathan posts not only on kotaku but RPS too. 

Scrolling through zoe's interactions also shows communication between her and the girlfriend of one of the men she slept with. 

 

While it is indeed true who or how many people she slept with is nobodies business,  and frankly it doesnt really matter if those events occured just for sex or to further her own career,  it does not sanctify her actions,  especially given her outwardly vocal stance on the very things she has been accused,  and in most case been found undeniably guilty on. 

 

Of course,  if you believe a persons actions contradicting their carefully crafted public image is out of context then the issue is yours. 

 

Wether or not you like it,  the issue has been made public, and she has and continues to engage with people on the topic,  publicly,  thus the topic is debatable.  repeatedly decrying those doing just that and labeling anyone that doesn't agree with your stance as a misogynist or MRA flag-flier makes you no better than the very people you're labeling,  assuming they were even deserving of the label to begin with. 

but hey,  it's perfectly okay for you to make that call,  without any facts,  and without knowledge of that person,  but not okay for those you are labeling to do the same,  with detailed outlines of a persons actions which can in most cases be corroborated or confirmed. 

 

your double standards are for the most part,  very reflective of the current social justice trend. 

No I'm not being selective. I'm looking at actual facts, the real provable facts. You on the otherhand are focusing on the imagined ramblings of people in other forums and using that as evidence, even tho there is absolutly no proof any of it happened. Most of it has been taken down because again it was all slanderous BS. The one person in the industry she did have a relationship never made any reviews or did any stories about her game. Which disproves your theory. 

The fact that you guys continue to harp on about this, believing the lies of other people, ignoring facts, all so you can continue to bash her says a lot about you. I don't have any double standards, so far the only one with double standards is you. If a guy does this sort of thing you don't bat an eye but a woman does it you go on a crusade and ignore facts even after it's been disproven. I didn't label anyone without facts. I used their words and behavior towards the woman in question as evidence. If you come here and bash her and treat her like a monster and like some enemy that needs to be attacked instead of a human being, if you give the men invovled a free pass and even treat them like they were victems that were manipulated by her, and if you use the postings and words of others from MRA threads on reddit then guess what it's fair to say that person is a MRA and its not a double standard.

So you guys can either accept the facts as they have been proven or you can continue on this now even more baseless crusade to attack someone that frankly doesn't deserve it. It just makes you look bad.



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o_O.Q said:
Nicklesbe said:
That settles it then. Now that we know no unethical behavior was done then this topics relevance has ended. Can it now finally be locked and we get back to talking about gaming instead of people inserting themselves into the sex lives of others for the purpose of simply bashing a female in the game industry for simply being female and having personal and private relationships with others.

not really there's still evidence that contradicts what you're saying

 

and id just like to say that the funny thing about jumping to a woman's defense simply because she's a woman is that it actually doesn't help her ( or yourself for that matter ) in anyway...

for one thing taking accountablitiy away from anyone is actually taking power away from them because you're essentially saying they are irresponsible and therefore they must have external aid in navigating through situations just like a child would

and its because of that that women ( understandably ) generally do not respond well to people who do this because especially now in this society we are supposed to be empowering women, in that we're making sure they have more choices and that when they make them they can own their choices and grow as a result... there is no growth when someone isn't help accountable

No there really isn't. There are forums posts from people that dreamed up nonsense. The only provable facts are that she had a relationship with someone at kotaku and the person at kotaku never reviewed her game or wrote a story aobut her game. That means it's been disproven. There is no real evidence that says otherwise. Just BS .



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Nicklesbe said:

No there really isn't. There are forums posts from people that dreamed up nonsense. The only provable facts are that she had a relationship with someone at kotaku and the person at kotaku never reviewed her game or wrote a story aobut her game. That means it's been disproven. There is no real evidence that says otherwise. Just BS .

 

A lot of things can't be definitively proven, but that doesn't mean we should just pretend that there is no controversy going on. There are plenty of valid talking points here, from journalistic integrity to equality in the games industry and the fact that you (Nickle) just keep trying to silence everyone, isn't helping anyone. 

As for the specific case, the exact details have not been worked out. We do not have all of the facts, but there is a good amount of evidence leading to the belief that professionally unethical behavior has taken place. For example, the Kotaku guy did publish a story, briefly highlighting Depression Quest as one of the most notable games hitting Steam Greenlight (out of a batch of 50) on Rock Paper Shotgun and there are the two other industry figures who still have open allegations...

There is no need for you to silence this thread. It is not sexist, it is not by misogynists, and in reality, you are probably creating more attention for the issue by sparking these debates.