I needed to prune this a little for us to not clutter up the whole board.

I see where you're coming from. Blind and biased criticism is never useful to someone on the other side of the fence.

My oversold comment is mostly in regards to the buying trends I see. People buy it because its the new PlayStation, and its affordable. And this time around, the advertisement campaigns have been a far cry from the stylized and experimental This is Living and The Third Place campaigns, that concerned themselves with aesthetic statements about entertainment. The PS4 ads have been philosophically empty, focusing on action with friends and nostalgia.

Ande this leads into your question of what I consider games. I don't play online games, I have treid many times, but I am still struggling to see why it is entertaining. A game like Nintendo Land, woefully misguided in its presentation and naming though it may be, is a game that fully sells me on the Wii U for instance. Five player local, showing why the GamePad matters. It's a hoot and a holler and nothing like anything most have played before.

While I know that the PlayStation platforms always end up delivering in the end I just don't see why people are excited for anything the machine does yet. It's exactly the same games as on the last consoles, just prettied up a bit and with social fluff. Oversold on promises of reigniting your fondness of games from yesteryear. This is a bias, but I'm biased to my own tastes. The same goes for the Xbox One. They could've made something special, but they decided not to.

Usually it's hated for XO. It's curious this post or it will be that people are seeing the reality of what Sony wants to do. Who knows!

Well I'm feeling particularly anti Sony today so I'll just leave....

Many enemies, much honour     (Benito Mussolini)    

You see, that is the answer that I expected.

Basically, almost every person in these forums uses the same logic as you just did.  If the data doesn't match what they want, they come up with an excuse to say the data is wrong.  In almost every thread that has a number in it, this happens.  When the weekly sales #'s come out for the Chartz, a large number of people will discuss them.  At some point, someone will disagree with the others opinion.  THat is when the "Chartz isn't accurate" statement comes out.  Why bother to enter the thread to discuss the sales if you really think the #'s are bogus?

If M$ announces a sales #, it is debated as to whether they are lying or not.  When NPD comes out, people debate whether a release date of an item was reflected correctly in the numbers.

Point is, no matter the informations source, people dismiss if it doesn't prove their point.

And thanks for proving my point for me. So infamous and MLB: the show doesn't count? Those aren't games too that were released this year? An din addition to that, Thief, watchdogs aren't games either?

Do you buy the same game for every platform you have? Cause this is exactly the kinda mindlessly silly talk I am referring to. You just came and said the best sony could do for 8 months was release a last gen game. That is just not true? And most importantly, you are doing that thing where people talk about multiplats as if they weren't games too. If you had a XB1 and PS4, would you buy watchdogs or child or light for both of them simply cause they are available on both platforms? No. You will buy it for only one platform. Now if you have only a PS4, every game released this your is an exclusive to you cause you have only one platform to play them on anyways.

There is nothing wrong with you not being interested in a game, or feeling that there isn't any game available that suits your particular tastes. Saying "thre is nothing yet on PS4 that i want to play" is very different from saying "the PS4 has no games".

I counted Infamous, although it may only be 7 months between that and driveclub (september release?). Don't even know if MLB even came out here in AU actually lol. Cross gen multiplats are definately games, but people want exclusive games to justify the purchase of these new console, this is often why people ignore multiplats at the moment.

Hell I don't even care, this isnt me having a problem with the PS4 at all, you guys need to understand that. I have all the current consoles so I can find things to play when one console has a lull. But my point is that people can be displeased or feel let down without being mindless haters, and im trying to give justifiable logical reasons. If you disagree with me thats fine, but in my mind you can't just assume everyone is mindlessly hating.

I don't think everyone is mindlessly hating. Just feel there is a fair bit of mindless hating going around. And I know you aren't hating here but was trying to point out a certain usage scenario. 

What I would say is this, someone buying a PS4/XB1?WiiU... must have seen something already that in their heads justifies the purchase of one over the other. Exclusives are great but the total amount of content you get on a platform is more important. I know there are always exceptions, but I really don't think people buy a console only to feel let down cause there aren't 10 exclusives made for it that year and unhappy that every other game he gets for the console can be bought on other consoles. If that were important to such a person, then the person shouldn't have bought the console to begin with.

Before buying a PS4 i sold my PS3. I was done with it. It doesn't matter to me if Destiny, MGS, watchdogs...etc are all also on the PS3 or any other platform. There is only one place I can play them and thats my PS4. I bought the PS4 so I play very game released from ending 3013 and up on the new console. Not for any one game or the other. I may think differently, but if anyone buys a console for a as yet unreleased game and gets upset when that game is delayed or feels theer is nothing to play on the console while waiting for that particular game, then its no ones fault but his own.

Well, MS pays a lot of people to manage their perception and the perception of the concurrent companies on the social networks, I really can't explain it otherwise :-/

I mean, common, people playing the inferior version of games on the xb1 because they like to say "xbox on"? no sane person would do this.

or the 1 or 2 extra "AAA" exclusives that MS has in line this year, they're suddenly the best games ever...

and secret sauce arguments (all the variants).

oh, also the praise for Spencer, he mumbles a few PR lines and somehow people are tricked into thinking he is sincere with them.

This is the reality here. Also, I see it done very often by Sony fans but it's never an issue because it was done by Sony fans. Other fans that do it will likeky be called delusional.