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Ninsect on 13 August 2014

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QuintonMcLeod on 13 August 2014
DerNebel said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
DerNebel said:

1) You could just finally drop the act and admit that you simply have some sort of problem with the PS4 and Sony and want to thus discredit everything they do.

2) They're releasing 4 new retail exclusives in the next 6 months and you're going on about how they are only focussing on indies, because of their Gamescom conference? How many new games did MS unveil? 1 as far as I remember, that Rollercoaster Tycoon game. Nintendo? None, they didn't even bother with Gamescom. But Sony is concentrating on indies, because they didn't announce enough AAA stuff at that show?

3) Also Until Dawn is a retail game published by Sony and made by a studio that has over 50 employees, how long do we still call those games indie titles?

4) So we had Until Dawn, Tearaway and possibly an exclusive new Silent Hill announced from Sony, discounting Wild, which looks like it very well could be a retail game too but we don't know about that yet, and they are only concentrating on indies in your opinion?


1) I just state facts and call out BS. That's all. Nintendo nor Microsoft are exempt from that. 

2) No one said they are "only" focusing on indies. What I said is that indies are Sony's main focus right now. I mean, Shuhei Yoshida said it himself. Are you going to pretend that he didn't? Besides, who thinks this to be a bad thing? Certainly not me. However, I'm not going to sit here and deny it either.

3) It's an indie game:
http://www.supermassivegames.com/about/supermassive-games

4) Shuhei Yoshida said indies will be the main focus. What more can I say?

1, 2, 4) That is quite simply a lie. Yoshida never said that indies were Sonys main focus, stop making shit up. He said, that AAA developments has become more costly, but that there are a lot of indies to fill the gaps, that in no way means that indies are their main focus. Their studios are all still working on AAA PS4 games and Sony is also still working with third parties to secure retail exclusives.

3) Let me just list a couple games that are indie according to your brilliant definition:

Sunset Overdrive

Quantum Break

Beyond Two Souls

The Order 1886

Wonderful 101

Bayonetta 2

Awesome isn't it?

1, 2, 4) ** sigh ** Alright. Then Yoshida insinuated it. Plus, looking at what Sony showcased this past E3 and during Gamescom, it's pretty obvious which direction they're going. No one is saying Sony isn't also focusing on AAA games. They are! Look at me - I'm saying they are focusing on AAA titles! See? However, AAAs are not their main focus. Their main focus are indie titles. AAAs are their second focus. Look, Nintendo's main focus is also indie titles. Why? Because the industry is changing. AAA game budgets are ballooning, and the industry can't support them. Needing over 4 million copies sold just to break even isn't a very healthy business model. So, both Nintendo and Sony are focusing on indies. This isn't a bad thing. Stop arguing in a vain attempt to make Sony prettier to Microsoft fans. You're honestly wasting your time.

3) I didn't give you a definition of what indies are. I linked you to the developers website where they say they are an indie studio. Just give up.



DerNebel on 13 August 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
DerNebel said:

1, 2, 4) That is quite simply a lie. Yoshida never said that indies were Sonys main focus, stop making shit up. He said, that AAA developments has become more costly, but that there are a lot of indies to fill the gaps, that in no way means that indies are their main focus. Their studios are all still working on AAA PS4 games and Sony is also still working with third parties to secure retail exclusives.

3) Let me just list a couple games that are indie according to your brilliant definition:

Sunset Overdrive

Quantum Break

Beyond Two Souls

The Order 1886

Wonderful 101

Bayonetta 2

Awesome isn't it?

1, 2, 4) ** sigh ** Alright. Then Yoshida insinuated it. Plus, looking at what Sony showcased this past E3 and during Gamescom, it's pretty obvious which direction they're going. No one is saying Sony isn't also focusing on AAA games. They are! Look at me - I'm saying they are focusing on AAA titles! See? However, AAAs are not their main focus. Their main focus are indie titles. AAAs are their second focus. Look, Nintendo's main focus is also indie titles. Why? Because the industry is changing. AAA game budgets are ballooning, and the industry can't support them. Needing over 4 million copies sold just to break even isn't a very healthy business model. So, both Nintendo and Sony are focusing on indies. This isn't a bad thing. Stop arguing in a vain attempt to make Sony prettier to Microsoft fans. You're honestly wasting your time.

3) I didn't give you a definition of what indies are. I linked you to the developers website where they say they are an indie studio. Just give up.

1, 2, 4) Their main focus aren't indie titles. Period.

3) Yeah and guess what I did, I gave you a list of games that were developed by studios that are all classified as independent and if you can tell me with a straight face that you seriously classify all those games as indie, then you're absolutely trying way too hard to prove your point. Just give up.



QuintonMcLeod on 13 August 2014
DerNebel said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
DerNebel said:

1, 2, 4) That is quite simply a lie. Yoshida never said that indies were Sonys main focus, stop making shit up. He said, that AAA developments has become more costly, but that there are a lot of indies to fill the gaps, that in no way means that indies are their main focus. Their studios are all still working on AAA PS4 games and Sony is also still working with third parties to secure retail exclusives.

3) Let me just list a couple games that are indie according to your brilliant definition:

Sunset Overdrive

Quantum Break

Beyond Two Souls

The Order 1886

Wonderful 101

Bayonetta 2

Awesome isn't it?

1, 2, 4) ** sigh ** Alright. Then Yoshida insinuated it. Plus, looking at what Sony showcased this past E3 and during Gamescom, it's pretty obvious which direction they're going. No one is saying Sony isn't also focusing on AAA games. They are! Look at me - I'm saying they are focusing on AAA titles! See? However, AAAs are not their main focus. Their main focus are indie titles. AAAs are their second focus. Look, Nintendo's main focus is also indie titles. Why? Because the industry is changing. AAA game budgets are ballooning, and the industry can't support them. Needing over 4 million copies sold just to break even isn't a very healthy business model. So, both Nintendo and Sony are focusing on indies. This isn't a bad thing. Stop arguing in a vain attempt to make Sony prettier to Microsoft fans. You're honestly wasting your time.

3) I didn't give you a definition of what indies are. I linked you to the developers website where they say they are an indie studio. Just give up.

1, 2, 4) Their main focus aren't indie titles. Period.

3) Yeah and guess what I did, I gave you a list of games that were developed by studios that are all classified as independent and if you can tell me with a straight face that you seriously classify all those games as indie, then you're absolutely trying way too hard to prove your point. Just give up.

1, 2, 4) ** rolls eyes ** If you say so.

3) Ok... That doesn't negate the fact that Until Dawn is an indie game.



DerNebel on 13 August 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
DerNebel said:

1, 2, 4) Their main focus aren't indie titles. Period.

3) Yeah and guess what I did, I gave you a list of games that were developed by studios that are all classified as independent and if you can tell me with a straight face that you seriously classify all those games as indie, then you're absolutely trying way too hard to prove your point. Just give up.

1, 2, 4) ** rolls eyes ** If you say so.

3) Ok... That doesn't negate the fact that Until Dawn is an indie game.

So you're gonna stick with that shit about Until Dawn? What a joke.



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QuintonMcLeod on 13 August 2014
DerNebel said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
DerNebel said:

1, 2, 4) Their main focus aren't indie titles. Period.

3) Yeah and guess what I did, I gave you a list of games that were developed by studios that are all classified as independent and if you can tell me with a straight face that you seriously classify all those games as indie, then you're absolutely trying way too hard to prove your point. Just give up.

1, 2, 4) ** rolls eyes ** If you say so.

3) Ok... That doesn't negate the fact that Until Dawn is an indie game.

So you're gonna stick with that shit about Until Dawn? What a joke.

Because it's true. I've already given you facts directly from its source. What else do you want me to say?



jlmurph2 on 13 August 2014

This thread has been derailed to no end..



Ninsect on 13 August 2014

Lol. Why does it even matter if games are made independently or not. Quinton has no point



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QuintonMcLeod on 13 August 2014
Ninsect said:
Lol. Why does it even matter if games are made independently or not. Quinton has no point


It doesn't matter. I'm all for indies. However, there's a few other people who do not believe that indies aren't Sony's main focus - despite the evidence. This whole argument basically started with people refusing to acknowledge that there are some Sony fans that are a bit upset with Sony's new direction with both the PS4 and the Vita in regards to indies.



DonFerrari on 13 August 2014

Seems someone thinks TP is indie.



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