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Mr Puggsly said:
BeElite said:

MS had a long term strategy for Xbox, and the third one X1 was to make back all the losses and dominate.  Clealry its failing big time.  


Well the Xbox 360 lost billions early on and still becme profitable.

Its unlikely X1 will lose that kind of money unless they run into some sort of hardware issues as well. So they can still make back losses like 360 did.


Doubt it, they invested huge in it expecting PS like sales and market domination.

Its failing big time doing that, all their estimated are now gone down their crapper.  Cascading effect, X1 low sales small user base casues everything else to severly underperform and add up to one big loss.  Come on they spent 100million on the freaking controller, doable cost if you are planing to sale +100  million but a waste if you will end on 35/40m.  Then there are Kinect costs, ok if its sold with a 100m X1, now ill be lucky to hit 10 million.  I cant even imagine the loss on that they will eat if they can spend $100million on a freaking controller.  

For what MS wanted it to be the X1 is a dud, lower 1st party sales much lower 3rd party sales much lower Live subscription.  Ms X1 tv dreams dying if not dead already.  Kinect near dead.  All the promotions free games cuts they were forced into, all add up to one big loss.

But hey MS is super rich, they can afford it they will eat the loss and keep going as many MS fans claim thay can.



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Idk if anyones noticed but xbone sold over 400,000 last week..and its not even thanksgiving yet..keep it up with the doom threads tho



BeElite said:


Doubt it, they invested huge in it expecting PS like sales and market domination.

Its failing big time doing that, all their estimated are now gone down their crapper.  Cascading effect, X1 low sales small user base casues everything else to severly underperform and add up to one big loss.  Come on they spent 100million on the freaking controller, doable cost if you are planing to sale +100  million but a waste if you will end on 35/40m.  Then there are Kinect costs, ok if its sold with a 100m X1, now ill be lucky to hit 10 million.  I cant even imagine the loss on that they will eat if they can spend $100million on a freaking controller.  

For what MS wanted it to be the X1 is a dud, lower 1st party sales much lower 3rd party sales much lower Live subscription.  Ms X1 tv dreams dying if not dead already.  Kinect near dead.  All the promotions free games cuts they were forced into, all add up to one big loss.

But hey MS is super rich, they can afford it they will eat the loss and keep going as many MS fans claim thay can.

Sony fans keep telling me MS had grand expectations, but I see little proof of that. I'm sure MS had higher expectations but so did Sony with PS3 and Vita.

X1 doesn't have a small userbase for a console that has been on the market for a year. The holiday should be solid as well so it will keep getting support.

In the long run I don't think spending a $100 million on the controller will really matter. Assuming every X1 owner buys one or two controllers, it should recoup that money easily.

Money spent on Kinect R&D might be negligible in the long run as well, if it isn't already.

Right, MS is super rich and can eat losses. They've eaten Xbox losses for many years now. They supported Xbox even when it was losing a massive amount of money between 2002 and 2007. Also, they got the 360 with its millions of Gold subscribers to help with X1 losses. As the X1 sells millions of units, it will gain millions of Gold subscribers as well.



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Mr Puggsly said:
BeElite said:


Doubt it, they invested huge in it expecting PS like sales and market domination.

Its failing big time doing that, all their estimated are now gone down their crapper.  Cascading effect, X1 low sales small user base casues everything else to severly underperform and add up to one big loss.  Come on they spent 100million on the freaking controller, doable cost if you are planing to sale +100  million but a waste if you will end on 35/40m.  Then there are Kinect costs, ok if its sold with a 100m X1, now ill be lucky to hit 10 million.  I cant even imagine the loss on that they will eat if they can spend $100million on a freaking controller.  

For what MS wanted it to be the X1 is a dud, lower 1st party sales much lower 3rd party sales much lower Live subscription.  Ms X1 tv dreams dying if not dead already.  Kinect near dead.  All the promotions free games cuts they were forced into, all add up to one big loss.

But hey MS is super rich, they can afford it they will eat the loss and keep going as many MS fans claim thay can.

Sony fans keep telling me MS had grand expectations, but I see little proof of that. I'm sure MS had higher expectations but so did Sony with PS3 and Vita.

X1 doesn't have a small userbase for a console that has been on the market for a year. The holiday should be solid as well so it will keep getting support.

In the long run I don't think spending a $100 million on the controller will really matter. Assuming every X1 owner buys one or two controllers, it should recoup that money easily.

Money spent on Kinect R&D might be negligible in the long run as well, if it isn't already.

Right, MS is super rich and can eat losses. They've eaten Xbox losses for many years now. They supported Xbox even when it was losing a massive amount of money between 2002 and 2007. Also, they got the 360 with its millions of Gold subscribers to help with X1 losses.

Strategy was basic.   Xbox 1 enter market, 2 gain serious share, 3 take market majority. 

They saw how quick sony dominated but were reaslistc on what it would take to dethrone PS.  X1 is flopping at what they set out to do.  Xbox and 360 did what they were ment to do, 360 went above and past that.  X1 is a flop.  Its lost much of what they 360 gained.  It set them back a fullf gen easily if not a decade in the market.   Dont bs your self or anyone that MS is ok where it is and are willing to waste billions on a futile attempt to take the console market.  



BeElite said:

Strategy was basic.   Xbox 1 enter market, 2 gain serious share, 3 take market majority. 

They saw how quick sony dominated but were reaslistc on what it would take to dethrone PS.  X1 is flopping at what they set out to do.  Xbox and 360 did what they were ment to do, 360 went above and past that.  X1 is a flop.  Its lost much of what they 360 gained.  It set them back a fullf gen easily if not a decade in the market.   Dont bs your self or anyone that MS is ok where it is and are willing to waste billions on a futile attempt to take the console market.  

That's a pretty grand expectation that isn't always achieved. Again, I'm sure Sony had similar expectations with PS3 and Vita. Nintendo had greater expectations for Wii U and 3DS as well. If the basic strategy doesn't work, you make a new one or give up.

Sony made a new strategy with PS3 and worked out okay, albeit a failure compared to PS2.

I'm glad MS isn't content where X1 is right now. That's why they've become competitive and have boosted X1 sales significantly. They didn't lose billions in the past because of marketing, it was the hardware losing money. The OG Xbox was too expensive to produce and they repaired many broken 360s. Much of PS3's losses came from producing expensive hardware and significant price cuts.

They don't need to take the console market to find success. You seem to have the mind set that only first place is success, that's wrong.



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BeElite said:

Strategy was basic.   Xbox 1 enter market, 2 gain serious share, 3 take market majority. 

They saw how quick sony dominated but were reaslistc on what it would take to dethrone PS.  X1 is flopping at what they set out to do.  Xbox and 360 did what they were ment to do, 360 went above and past that.  X1 is a flop.  Its lost much of what they 360 gained.  It set them back a fullf gen easily if not a decade in the market.   Dont bs your self or anyone that MS is ok where it is and are willing to waste billions on a futile attempt to take the console market.  


dude you are just full of DOOM....

I'm almost tempted to report you for flaming.. lol

Yes it's that bad.



DJEVOLVE said:
BeElite said:

Strategy was basic.   Xbox 1 enter market, 2 gain serious share, 3 take market majority. 

They saw how quick sony dominated but were reaslistc on what it would take to dethrone PS.  X1 is flopping at what they set out to do.  Xbox and 360 did what they were ment to do, 360 went above and past that.  X1 is a flop.  Its lost much of what they 360 gained.  It set them back a fullf gen easily if not a decade in the market.   Dont bs your self or anyone that MS is ok where it is and are willing to waste billions on a futile attempt to take the console market.  


dude you are just full of DOOM....

I'm almost tempted to report you for flaming.. lol

Yes it's that bad.


Cant handle the truth can you, all said is true.  i dont suger coat shit, it is what it is.  



Mr Puggsly said:
BeElite said:

Strategy was basic.   Xbox 1 enter market, 2 gain serious share, 3 take market majority. 

They saw how quick sony dominated but were reaslistc on what it would take to dethrone PS.  X1 is flopping at what they set out to do.  Xbox and 360 did what they were ment to do, 360 went above and past that.  X1 is a flop.  Its lost much of what they 360 gained.  It set them back a fullf gen easily if not a decade in the market.   Dont bs your self or anyone that MS is ok where it is and are willing to waste billions on a futile attempt to take the console market.  

That's a pretty grand expectation that isn't always achieved. Again, I'm sure Sony had similar expectations with PS3 and Vita. Nintendo had greater expectations for Wii U and 3DS as well. If the basic strategy doesn't work, you make a new one or give up.

Sony made a new strategy with PS3 and worked out okay, albeit a failure compared to PS2.

I'm glad MS isn't content where X1 is right now. That's why they've become competitive and have boosted X1 sales significantly. They didn't lose billions in the past because of marketing, it was the hardware losing money. The OG Xbox was too expensive to produce and they repaired many broken 360s. Much of PS3's losses came from producing expensive hardware and significant price cuts.

They don't need to take the console market to find success. You seem to have the mind set that only first place is success, that's wrong.

Were not talking vita or PS3, this thread is about X1.  I understand defending X1 on its own merits is hard but do try and stay on topic.  Im sure you can do better then your typical But but but vita or PS3.   It really is tire some from you.  

For MS its 1st or nothing, they are not a corp that is content with anything but 1st in case you havent noticed.  Hell for Sony its 1st or failure, PS3 was a hard pill to swollow for them.  Even Ninty is just like that they just have handleds to fall back on when their console is failing.  None in any business are content with anything but 1st, 2nd 3rd means you could be doing better having higher revenue and more profit.  Its shareholders whining why arent we doing better what are we doing to be #1.  



BeElite said:
DJEVOLVE said:


dude you are just full of DOOM....

I'm almost tempted to report you for flaming.. lol

Yes it's that bad.


Cant handle the truth can you, all said is true.  i dont suger coat shit, it is what it is.  


It is no where near the truth, at best it's being extremely biased.

Making money matters, Then if that's truth, then Sony going out of business due to all the money they are losing should be eating you alive.



DJEVOLVE said:
BeElite said:
DJEVOLVE said:


dude you are just full of DOOM....

I'm almost tempted to report you for flaming.. lol

Yes it's that bad.


Cant handle the truth can you, all said is true.  i dont suger coat shit, it is what it is.  


It is no where near the truth, at best it's being extremely biased.

Making money matters, Then if that's truth, then Sony going out of business due to all the money they are losing should be eating you alive.


I hope to god they die and a worthy parent company takes over PS.

Think for a sec, PS4 is backed by broke ass sony is embarrassing Xbox backed by one of the hichest most powerfull corps in the world.

Imagine PS was backed by some one with actuall $, it be a new golden age of gaming.