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there can't be ten mafia! I mean sure maybe there are 1 or 2 in there but there's so little to go off of that we might as well just focus on the other five. Those ten talking about nothing looks like a headache.

Do you see how this predicament unfolds?

Look you asked which is more suspicious, talkative and active or silent. Neither silence nor activity is suspicious. What's suspicious is standing on the sideline. ACTIVELY talking about nothing,or SILENT about their convictions.

For example:
A case is brought against a player using evidence a, b, and c. Player 3 repeats what the accuser says without contributing their own thoughts. Player 4 looks at everything again and comes up with their own conclusion. Player 5 asks player 6 and 7 what they think about the accusation. Player 6 asks the accused a question about some evidence he didnt understand. Player 7 says he doesnt know, and would rather look at something else. He doesnt feel right about it but can't put his finger on why.
in this scenario, players 3 and 7 are mafia because they demonstrated activity without contribution, and player 7 because he didnt volunteer any opinion until asked and even then didnt say anything. Meaningless activity, and meaningless silence.
caveat: it doesn't mean these two are both necessarily mafia, it means they should be looked at.

As another example;
Outlaw said he was looking into sparky, but has yet to mention anything regarding that. Meaningless activity.
padib has parroted twice now the suspicions of others. Meaningless activity
rct has only made contributions once he's been mentioned, and has yet to explain his vote for me, or asked me why I lumped him in the group when in fact it was never once mentioned in the thread that he was a noob. Meaningless silence.



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theprof00 said:
Lol what?
You asked a question. I answered it in my own opinion. When I look at players I understand that townies might not want to talk for a variety of reasons. So might mafia as well. Different reasons same reactions. However, there is one type of talking that overwhelmingly is bad for town, and thats focusing on things that dont matter.

Town might do it for fun, like the discussion about arrows and whatnot. Mafia do it to fun too, but it also helps them bLend in and look like town without having to draw relationships and have people analyze them. I mean, when all the townies are doing it, its gunna be hard to figure out who the mafia is, right? And nobody is really going to havea solid case as well! In fact, townies might even stick up for them...why? Because theyre guilty of the same thing. T


But it does matter. Without "vapid" subjects, there's no theme, and the game just becomes a bunch of baseless finger pointing. The flavor text is all that makes the first day even worth playing. Aside from flavor conversations, what is there really? Just some noobs asking about the rules, people discussing the rules the noobs asked about, and you pointing fingers saying "What? You asked about the rules? It must be a trick! You actually know the rules and are playing dumb! Here's some semantics to prove my point!" Or "What, you pointed fingers? You might be trying to hide something! Mafia!" Or "What, you haven't pointed fingers yet? You must be trying to hide something! Mafia!" If flavor conversations are vapid, pointless, and bad for the town, then I'm really missing the point of the first day. Maybe I just don't get this game, but it feels to me like the "vapid" conversations are the ones that matter the most, and do more to advance the game than baseless finger pointing. At the very least, they're definitely more fun. It's safe to say that the entire reason I joing "Fire Emblem Mafia" was for the parts of it that you call "vapid".



HylianSwordsman said:
theprof00 said:
Lol what?
You asked a question. I answered it in my own opinion. When I look at players I understand that townies might not want to talk for a variety of reasons. So might mafia as well. Different reasons same reactions. However, there is one type of talking that overwhelmingly is bad for town, and thats focusing on things that dont matter.

Town might do it for fun, like the discussion about arrows and whatnot. Mafia do it to fun too, but it also helps them bLend in and look like town without having to draw relationships and have people analyze them. I mean, when all the townies are doing it, its gunna be hard to figure out who the mafia is, right? And nobody is really going to havea solid case as well! In fact, townies might even stick up for them...why? Because theyre guilty of the same thing. T


But it does matter. Without "vapid" subjects, there's no theme, and the game just becomes a bunch of baseless finger pointing. The flavor text is all that makes the first day even worth playing. Aside from flavor conversations, what is there really? Just some noobs asking about the rules, people discussing the rules the noobs asked about, and you pointing fingers saying "What? You asked about the rules? It must be a trick! You actually know the rules and are playing dumb! Here's some semantics to prove my point!" Or "What, you pointed fingers? You might be trying to hide something! Mafia!" Or "What, you haven't pointed fingers yet? You must be trying to hide something! Mafia!" If flavor conversations are vapid, pointless, and bad for the town, then I'm really missing the point of the first day. Maybe I just don't get this game, but it feels to me like the "vapid" conversations are the ones that matter the most, and do more to advance the game than baseless finger pointing. At the very least, they're definitely more fun. It's safe to say that the entire reason I joing "Fire Emblem Mafia" was for the parts of it that you call "vapid".

lot to go over in this post so I'll bullet for easier reading.
1. There's plenty of ways to enjoy the theme without vapidity. Some games people use quotes from the source under their posts. Other games, people talk in character. Sometimes people use references as their metaphors. But one thing is certain. We are in a game where we were never told we couldn't name our characters. We were also told that mafia have names, and also additional fake-names they can use. We were also told that faction alignment means nothing, and that characters don't match night actions. What is the result? People hinting at their characters names. What's the point? Sure it's fun to play your character....the point is why is everyone only "hinting" at their character? Why are people making post after post about something so inconsequential?

2. At this point I wrote a few paragraphs but realized that your accusations are completely baseless, so instead insert a line about steel swords if you will.

3. Perhaps I said that flavor conversations are bad for town, but perhaps that's too harsh. Flavor is fine....in moderation. If all I see out of one person is all flavor, then that looks bad.

4. Tell me in what way the flavor has pushed forward anything? It's a fun side-quest. Nothing more. In fact, the only reason you are having a somewhat contributory debate is because I'm here.

5. Look, I'm not telling you what to do. Do whatever you want. Just...for the record, I don't think you're mafia. It would be far too stupid to pick a fight with me on day 1 if you were. And your shameless flipflopping on activity vs inactivity is begging for votes.

In fact, I'm going to make a quick tally of all the inconsistencies you've said. Feel free to do the same for me, if you choose. cont next post.



So yeah, after a busy day which has led me to not being able to post, I see that I've been accused by Wright...

However, do note that I have yet to play the game before and, as I said, I didn't want to say or do anything too soon on the first day in case I gave away too much information which would ruin the fun of the game, and similarly I didn't want to stay quiet hence the seeming "tag along" posting until the game got underway, so I could understand the concept more. I apologize if this came off as "suspicious" in any way, that wasn't meant to be the case and I hope things have been cleared up.

As for general gossip TheProf, I've played all of the titles bar Rekka No Ken to completion, it's one of my favourite series'. The thrill is trying it on a higher difficulty, then failing so many times until eventually you've worked out your tactic and manage to push through for the win. That sense of achievement is something that is near irreplaceable for me. The 3DS game boxart is also beautiful; I like how Kellam is hidden in the back of the boxart!



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

"I suppose he's suspicious though, so FOS for nicklesbe then."
You take my lead on what I worked for. Then later turn around and HoS me too.

"been a day of real time and you've already accused enough people I'm losing track."
I've asked questions to nickles and sparks and eagle. And I followed by saying sparks and eagle were likely town. One person isn't a lot to keep track of. Try ginseng, I heard it's a miracle for memory.

"You clearly have something to hide."
Ah, the 'talking a lot is hiding something' line

"You're either a mafia trying to lead the lynch mob or you're a trigger happy fool with a silver tongue. Either way, I'm thinking the town might be better off without you."
Classic lynch bait. NO MATTER WHAT I AM, I AM A DANGER. Even if I turn up town, we surely can't blame anyone for the mislynch right? I mean...he accused so many people it made my head spin. Clearly a loose cannon.

"Hand of suspicion Prof"
What got no backbone? If town is so much better off without me....then you must want to push for my lynch, right? Guess not.

"but I tend to take a more aggressive role in these kinds of games"
And yet you condemn me for mine?

"My initial thought was that the extremely active fingerpointers on the first day seemed suspicious, but several seasoned players seem to be saying it's the quiet ones you need to worry about."
Change of heart because others seem to be disagreeing with you?

"Because I feel like it could just as easily be a townie that doesn't know their character and has no insights to offer."
Ah so quiet people just don't have anything to talk about because they don't know their character. Here's a thought...why not play this game? It's loads of fun.

" That said, whether IkePoR has played before or not, his username suggests he's pretty into FE, so he probably does know his character, so maybe he has no excuse to be quiet. Or maybe I'm just reading into it too much."
Maybe, maybe not, blah blah blah

"You have to bold your votes. No editing allowed, just vote again and bold it. Unless you were kidding..."
Huh, encouraging someone else to vote properly before you even vote yourself? How spineless.

"Okay, so I'm hearing some people say that the quiet ones are suspicious, while others are saying silence is golden and that those who talk most have the most to hide. I'll admit, right now I'm suspicious of both sides of the equation, but I've already voiced that I feel the really talkative ones have more to hide, so I'm leaning that way. Anyone care to weigh in on this? Which is more suspicious? The silent, not so active approach, or the talkative, very active approach?"
Do you have any conviction in your opinions at all, or do you need the roundtable to tell you what to think?

 

You know what? Maybe you are that stupid.

Vote: hylian

You're scum.



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In addition, I'm going to hang back for a little while longer before throwing out accusations. There's a few people to me who seem suspicious but need to see more before making a rash judgement.

That's my style, after all. Why rush into battle with a sword? Seems dangerous to me.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Conegamer said:
In addition, I'm going to hang back for a little while longer before throwing out accusations. There's a few people to me who seem suspicious but need to see more before making a rash judgement.

That's my style, after all. Why rush into battle with a sword? Seems dangerous to me.

@ hylian

That is how you both play and enjoy the theme.

Cone, you better be back with some analysis or I'm going to do some kind of fire emblem thing to you. It'll be bad.




Oh and for the record hylian, I'll keep track of who I'm accusing so you can keep up.

Prof's accusations:
#1 hylian



theprof00 said:
Conegamer said:
In addition, I'm going to hang back for a little while longer before throwing out accusations. There's a few people to me who seem suspicious but need to see more before making a rash judgement.

That's my style, after all. Why rush into battle with a sword? Seems dangerous to me.

@ hylian

That is how you both play and enjoy the theme.

Cone, you better be back with some analysis or I'm going to do some kind of fire emblem thing to you. It'll be bad.

My point is I don't have much analysis just yet. However, if I were to talk about users who seem suspicious I'd have to name the following two:

Wright - He accused me of being suspicious, and yet had nothing to back that up with. Similarly some other posts of his have been short, accusational posts with little to no reasoning behind it other than as a "hit and run". What is the point of this I wonder? Why try to throw someone into the fire without any basis, other than to try and draw attention off of you and (hopefully) attract the masses to the user you're accusing as opposed to yourself? It doesn't make a lot of sense unless he's doing exactly that; drawing attention away from himself.

Spurge - As of yet, I can't see anything meaningful from Spurge in the thread. He's played the game before, and yet seems to be unsure about how it works or what the point of a lot of the discussion is as made evident in his most recent post. I ask myself; what's the reasoning behind these posts? Is this his usual posting style? Something about him and his direction feels unnatural; "forced" even. I'm going to wait and see more from him but for right now, I'll be keeping an eye to see if it's a pattern.

Again, like I said not much to go off of yet as I'm still feeling my way into the game and learning, but those two users just feel off to me right now from a "noob" perspective.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Wright said:
Conegamer.

Shots fired!

...So, what's your resoning?!

Wright said:

Which reminds me, is any of you guys into pegging?

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HylianSwordsman said:

But it does matter. Without "vapid" subjects, there's no theme, and the game just becomes a bunch of baseless finger pointing. The flavor text is all that makes the first day even worth playing. Aside from flavor conversations, what is there really? Just some noobs asking about the rules, people discussing the rules the noobs asked about, and you pointing fingers saying "What? You asked about the rules? It must be a trick! You actually know the rules and are playing dumb! Here's some semantics to prove my point!" Or "What, you pointed fingers? You might be trying to hide something! Mafia!" Or "What, you haven't pointed fingers yet? You must be trying to hide something! Mafia!" If flavor conversations are vapid, pointless, and bad for the town, then I'm really missing the point of the first day. Maybe I just don't get this game, but it feels to me like the "vapid" conversations are the ones that matter the most, and do more to advance the game than baseless finger pointing. At the very least, they're definitely more fun. It's safe to say that the entire reason I joing "Fire Emblem Mafia" was for the parts of it that you call "vapid".

But it's all we got, as town...