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SvennoJ on 27 July 2014
Mr_No said:

I have used MotionInJoy before, and it never worked. I even tried to use it on an older computer, but still nothing. I'm even trying to use Scp Driver as an alternative, and still nothing. I think this is bad luck like Leadified mentioned. And my laptop is pretty decent (8GB RAM, 750GB HDD, Intel Core i7 2670QM @ 2.20 GHz, 64-bit OS) except the graphics card I can't change. I wouldn't mind that the controller is wired all the time, but I'd like that it turns on when it's plugged on the computer.

There is better DS3 which might work fo you. It's a bit more work to install but I got it to work with my laptop.
I use MotionInJoy on my pc wkith mixed results. It requires a certain order (ritual) to get it to behave. Always use the same USB port, start it first before any games, set it to emulate 360 controller and don't forget to press the activate button in the control panel so that the controller does a test rumble. Then it usually works for me, although with Fract OSC half the time I still got the camera automatically turning upwards and spinning uncontrollably. Frustrating. Sometimes it crashes my DS3 too, all 4 lights on constantly and remains unresponsive. Plugging it in to the ps3 fixes it.
A 360 controller is probably easier, ofcourse mine doesn't work with windows, too old I guess.

Intel HD graphics is the most common GPU on Steam, you would think games should be made to work with that. My laptop has an NVidia GeForce GT 740M 1 year old now. No clue where that sits on the scale of recommended GPUs. My desktop has a NVidia GeForce GT 230, 4 year old pc. I don't see much of a difference in performance. My pc still outperforms my much newer laptop with some games, both 2.4ghz I7, 8 and 16 GB ram, pc has a faster HDD.



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Mr_No on 27 July 2014
SvennoJ said:
Mr_No said:

I have used MotionInJoy before, and it never worked. I even tried to use it on an older computer, but still nothing. I'm even trying to use Scp Driver as an alternative, and still nothing. I think this is bad luck like Leadified mentioned. And my laptop is pretty decent (8GB RAM, 750GB HDD, Intel Core i7 2670QM @ 2.20 GHz, 64-bit OS) except the graphics card I can't change. I wouldn't mind that the controller is wired all the time, but I'd like that it turns on when it's plugged on the computer.

There is better DS3 which might work fo you. It's a bit more work to install but I got it to work with my laptop.
I use MotionInJoy on my pc wkith mixed results. It requires a certain order (ritual) to get it to behave. Always use the same USB port, start it first before any games, set it to emulate 360 controller and don't forget to press the activate button in the control panel so that the controller does a test rumble. Then it usually works for me, although with Fract OSC half the time I still got the camera automatically turning upwards and spinning uncontrollably. Frustrating. Sometimes it crashes my DS3 too, all 4 lights on constantly and remains unresponsive. Plugging it in to the ps3 fixes it.
A 360 controller is probably easier, ofcourse mine doesn't work with windows, too old I guess.

Intel HD graphics is the most common GPU on Steam, you would think games should be made to work with that. My laptop has an NVidia GeForce GT 740M 1 year old now. No clue where that sits on the scale of recommended GPUs. My desktop has a NVidia GeForce GT 230, 4 year old pc. I don't see much of a difference in performance. My pc still outperforms my much newer laptop with some games, both 2.4ghz I7, 8 and 16 GB ram, pc has a faster HDD.

Heh, this might be a noob question. But how do you turn on the controller while it's connected via USB to the laptop? I only get the 4 flashing charging lights no matter how much I press the PS Home button. Do I have to unpair the controller from the console?

Maybe this could help. A lot of websites require that I have Bluetooth dongle for the PS3 controller to work. I don't have one, and my computer doesn't have Bluetooth.



archer9234 on 27 July 2014
Conina said:
archer9234 said:
Conina said:
archer9234 said:
Conina said:

So which playstation model can play *all* the playstation games? Every PS game of the 1990's, 2000's and 2010's?

Which Nintendo console can play *all* the Nintendo games? Every Nintendo game of the 1990's, 2000's and 2010's?

Which Xbox console can play *all* the Xbox games? Every Xbox game of the 2000's and 2010's?

If you want to have access to *all* games, you need several consoles. The backwards compatibility of PCs is much better than the backwards compatibility of consoles or handhelds... not every old PC game works on a new PC, but most of them. And for the problematic games you could keep an old PC with Windows 98 available... just like the old consoles.

But it's easier to keep your old consoles still, than to deal with a PC. You just need: Model 1 PS3, PS4, An SNES with 3rd party NES game adapter, n64, Wii model 1, Wii U. Sony 2, Nintendo 4. And if you factor in VC stuff. 2 Nintendo consoles.

Not every PS2 game was PS3 compatible, even to the launch-model. Ratchet & Clank 2 didn't ran on my PS3, Ratchet & Clank 3 had massive slowdowns, Jack Bauer and his enemies were invisible in "24 - The Game"... so we are already at 3 PlayStations, if you want to play *all* games... plus 4 Nintendo consoles, plus 3 Xboxes. Yeah, it's much easier to keep 10 consoles than 2 PCs. ;)

And if we factor in VC stuff (where only a fraction of the classics is available), we can also factor in PC emulators, ScummVM, DosBox and VMs.

Sure is easier to keep my consoles. I store them in 2 boxes. My argument is PC will always be complicated to the majority. They don't want to deal with any form of nonsense. They just want things to work. VC on consoles does just work. Emulation on PC doesn't always work right. I can't play Armada and Porche even in Vmware. They just crash. And to get to emulation PC, you need to actually have a lot of things. You ignoring the fact you need to either have kept your OS installtion disc. Or get a ISO. Then install it.

You may also need to tweak the virtual BIOS settings etc. Getting windows 95 to work fully was a nightmare in VMware. So many drivers are not setup automatically. And Dosbox, you gotta know how MS-DOS commands work. Try telling someone you have to mount a second hard drive to spoof the cdrom drive, in order to get certain games to install and play right. Setup the old annoying Soundblaster audio. To configure the emulators resolution you have to edit a config file. Making desktop shortcuts require you to add in a string to the Dos box shortcut. This is extra junk no one wants to do. Granted, some sites have DOSbox setup to run the game. But almost all the time, dosbox itself isn't configured correct. I have wrong audio ports. Because another game is setup different. I do all this because It's fun to fix older games, to me. Not a person who just wants to load up a game and that's it.

Windows games from 1995 - 2000 are problematic on a 64-bit-Windows, nobody is denying that. Many of the popular games of that era were fixed for 64-bit-systems with the re-release on Steam or GOG: System Shock 2, all Tomb Raider games, all Dark Forces / Jedi Knight games, all YDKJ games, all Oddworld games, Thief Gold, Shadow Man, Final Fantasy 7 + 8, The Last Express, Fallout 1 + 2, Larry 7, Gabriel Knight 2 + 3 and many more.

Most MS-DOS games from 1980 - 1996 are no problem, when you buy them at Steam or GOG... these versions are already prepared to run on new Windows systems. Each game from them has its own DOSbox setup, so a wrong installed DOSbox of one game CAN'T influence another game. If you don't have very exotic hardware, these games run instantly as the should... no install.exe and no setup.exe has to be started manually.

And most Windows games from 2001 up to the present are no problem either, with the release of the 64-bit-version of Windows 2000 most game developers included 64-bit-compatibility.

So most PC games of 1980 - 1994, many PC games of 1995 - 2000 and most PC games of 2001 - 2014 work on a new PC... not bad compared to other platforms. 

Yeah, you're right on that. But again my argument is simplicity. Easier to own the game system, buy the game digital or physcaly. And just run it. PC always will have a extra step involved. Steam and origin are a step. While this step is intigrated into the console. You still have to create an account and stuff. But you don't need to install extra stofware. Or look up information on google. Even steam is not fool proof. Take Max Payne 1. Steam never repaired the audio not working bug. Fans did. A Person who is very lazy or doesn't want to deal with PC, will not fix it, and consider it broken. And go buy a console and play. These type of things. Minor or major make people avoid PC's. Look at the steam forums. There's idiots on there wanting refuns. Because the game failed to run on their PC. They don't check hardware requirments. And when a game just doesn't want to work. They go insane on there. Those people are the ones who desert PC for consoles.

People are programed that PC games will have some issue. Weather its DRM, "I need a PC that's $2,000" crap, or some junk is broken. Or they don't like steam or Origin. Just like how Nintendo programed people over the past 15 years to not look at 3rd aprty games. Be honest. What is the first thing that comes to peoples mind when you see a 3rd party game come to Nintendo. You think its nerfed in some fashion. The same is towards PC gaming. This will be very hard, if not impossible to break.



Phronesis on 27 July 2014

I kinda like PCs but I hate PC elitists. They are a pain in the ass to say the least. Yesterday I was talking about TLOU framerate when a PC gamer came to say 'It would play better on PC'. O RLY, and Zelda would play better on PS4, but nobody is stupid enough to say this. He just kept going on and on about how the PC is more powerful, have mods, emulations and blablala.

No, really, why do people have to be so stupid? They can't just be happy about their choice they need to say to the world how amazing they are. What's even the point of having an advanced hardware if you can't play Bayonetta, Final Fantasy XIII (I like it despite he hate on internet), The Last of Us, Metal Gear Solid etc etc etc. Of course, I can't play WoW, DOTA or LOL, but I don't like these games.

There's a reason that some PC gamers can't understand too. We don't feel the need of change simply because we already have everything we need. No, really. Injustice and other games are 70% off on PS Store right now. We never have compatiility issues on consoles, but I need to buy a new PC to enjoy new games simply because hardware advanced so much that my graphic card can't handle them anymore.

And is so simply to own a console. They release beautiful games for PS3 in HD definition, and it only has 128MB of ram. With 128MB on a PC, you barely run the OS. So... eventually I will buy a new PC, but right now I don't need it.



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SubiyaCryolite on 27 July 2014

Phronesis said:
I kinda like PCs but I hate PC elitists. They are a pain in the ass to say the least. Yesterday I was talking about TLOU framerate when a PC gamer came to say 'It would play better on PC'. O RLY, and Zelda would play better on PS4, but nobody is stupid enough to say this. He just kept going on and on about how the PC is more powerful, have mods, emulations and blablala (Agree, I find thgis annoying too, no one should force their preferences on others). 

No, really, why do people have to be so stupid? They can't just be happy about their choice they need to say to the world how amazing they are. What's even the point of having an advanced hardware if you can't play Bayonetta, Final Fantasy XIII (I like it despite he hate on internet), The Last of Us, Metal Gear Solid etc etc etc. Of course, I can't play WoW, DOTA or LOL, but I don't like these games (Choice, Id rather play the most superior version of a game. Exclusives are a good selling point and thats why I pan on getting a PS4 (already own a Wii U) however I wont buy anygame that has a PC port on PS4 (or Wii U lol) because the PC version will be better and cheaper by default. Assuming its not handled lazily or with haste)

 
There's a reason that some PC gamers can't understand too. We don't feel the need of change simply because we already have everything we need. No, really. Injustice and other games are 70% off on PS Store right now (Steam and retail PC games on Amazon are usually cheaper. Injustice and all its DLC a was like $7 a few weeks ago). We never have compatiility issues on consoles, but I need to buy a new PC to enjoy new games simply because hardware advanced so much that my graphic card can't handle them anymore (False information, unless you always buy low end parts every 6 months you wont have to upgrade your PC more than twice in a single console generation. If you do its simply because yu want to, not out of necssity. As it stands I dont expect my 7870/8350 combo to cause any problems for the next 2 to 3 years and by then 5 to 6 Teraflop cards will be dirt cheap/affordable).


And is so simply to own a console. They release beautiful games for PS3 in HD definition, and it only has 128MB of ram (512). With 128MB on a PC, you barely run the OS (3GB of RAM is reserved for the PS4 and X1s OS, thats MUCH worse than Windows 7 or 8 on idle). So... eventually I will buy a new PC, but right now I don't need it. (Be sure to do a bit of research and ask around before buying parts so that you dont have to upgrade sooner than expected)





I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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dyremose on 27 July 2014

Although im mainly a console player the simplicity argument from my brethren always makes me cringe.. If simplicity is so important then why dont you just play on mobile instead? Its also way cheaper if you have the patience. Also to those talking about things going wrong on a pc... You are absolutely right. More things can happen when using a pc but then again it isnt a locked out platform and it is required to do many more things than a console is. And for those who actually gets problems runnign games i am sorry but you can easily check beforehand whether your system will be able to run a specific title. Just google 'can you run it' its that simple. It does require more knowledge about hardware than whatever you got to research because a new consoles strength is for example gddr5 RAM. But once you know these things. :processor, ram, bit system and OS the most difficult : video cards. You should be all set.

The reason why video cards is more confusing is because it is just mentioned in names. A new model comes out regularly and it requires some more info to know if it is even any good. It also has many sub effects to take into account. Processors are relatively easy. Main thing is clock speed and gigahertz. Then there is dual core and quad core which is 2 and 4 times the listed GHZ respectively. Just do some basic math and you are fine. Ram is pretty cheap and most new desktops have more than enough for todays titles. Most of you already know about these though after the ps4/x1 debacle.



archer9234 on 27 July 2014
dyremose said:
Although im mainly a console player the simplicity argument from my brethren always makes me cringe.. If simplicity is so important then why dont you just play on mobile instead? Its also way cheaper if you have the patience. Also to those talking about things going wrong on a pc... You are absolutely right. More things can happen when using a pc but then again it isnt a locked out platform and it is required to do many more things than a console is. And for those who actually gets problems runnign games i am sorry but you can easily check beforehand whether your system will be able to run a specific title. Just google 'can you run it' its that simple. It does require more knowledge about hardware than whatever you got to research because a new consoles strength is for example gddr5 RAM. But once you know these things. :processor, ram, bit system and OS the most difficult : video cards. You should be all set.

The reason why video cards is more confusing is because it is just mentioned in names. A new model comes out regularly and it requires some more info to know if it is even any good. It also has many sub effects to take into account. Processors are relatively easy. Main thing is clock speed and gigahertz. Then there is dual core and quad core which is 2 and 4 times the listed GHZ respectively. Just do some basic math and you are fine. Ram is pretty cheap and most new desktops have more than enough for todays titles. Most of you already know about these though after the ps4/x1 debacle.

I don't know why you brought in mobile. When I say simple I mean it just works. No extra nothing. No google, no steam installer, not nothing. Not simple as in the game is just has one attack or something of the sort.



ErwinMoC on 27 July 2014

When I read these comments here, I think, SteamOS can be a real gamechanger.



vivster on 27 July 2014

Advantages can't make up shortcomings, that's why you need both. The console vs PC debate is probably the most ridiculous in all of gaming.

It's like arguing what's better to survive, air or blood.



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SvennoJ on 27 July 2014
Mr_No said:
SvennoJ said:
Mr_No said:

I have used MotionInJoy before, and it never worked. I even tried to use it on an older computer, but still nothing. I'm even trying to use Scp Driver as an alternative, and still nothing. I think this is bad luck like Leadified mentioned. And my laptop is pretty decent (8GB RAM, 750GB HDD, Intel Core i7 2670QM @ 2.20 GHz, 64-bit OS) except the graphics card I can't change. I wouldn't mind that the controller is wired all the time, but I'd like that it turns on when it's plugged on the computer.

There is better DS3 which might work fo you. It's a bit more work to install but I got it to work with my laptop.
I use MotionInJoy on my pc wkith mixed results. It requires a certain order (ritual) to get it to behave. Always use the same USB port, start it first before any games, set it to emulate 360 controller and don't forget to press the activate button in the control panel so that the controller does a test rumble. Then it usually works for me, although with Fract OSC half the time I still got the camera automatically turning upwards and spinning uncontrollably. Frustrating. Sometimes it crashes my DS3 too, all 4 lights on constantly and remains unresponsive. Plugging it in to the ps3 fixes it.
A 360 controller is probably easier, ofcourse mine doesn't work with windows, too old I guess.

Intel HD graphics is the most common GPU on Steam, you would think games should be made to work with that. My laptop has an NVidia GeForce GT 740M 1 year old now. No clue where that sits on the scale of recommended GPUs. My desktop has a NVidia GeForce GT 230, 4 year old pc. I don't see much of a difference in performance. My pc still outperforms my much newer laptop with some games, both 2.4ghz I7, 8 and 16 GB ram, pc has a faster HDD.

Heh, this might be a noob question. But how do you turn on the controller while it's connected via USB to the laptop? I only get the 4 flashing charging lights no matter how much I press the PS Home button. Do I have to unpair the controller from the console?

Maybe this could help. A lot of websites require that I have Bluetooth dongle for the PS3 controller to work. I don't have one, and my computer doesn't have Bluetooth.

Should work with the ps button. You don't need bluetooth, my desktop doesn't have that. You don't need to unpair it from the ps3, it stays linked with that. So check your ps3 after disconnecting from the pc, good chance it will have turned on 3 rooms away.
There is a sequence you must follow when installing motioninjoy and it assigns the USB port that you use during installation to the controller, so you always have to use the same one. Maybe this helps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2lUxNShIDs
I had to start over, didn't work the first time.  It could also be the USB cable, for some reason it doesn't work with my iPod charge cable.