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fighter on 21 July 2014
the2real4mafol said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Wasn't Gaza firing hundreds of rockets at Israel before they (Israel) decided to invade? I mean a country can only tolerate so much before they attack back. I mean if Mexico started firing rockets into the United States then us attacking them would be justified in my opinion. Civilian casualties happen in any conflict, hard to avoid in a place like Gaza where the terrorists are mixed in with the civilian population.

But eh that's just my opinion anyway.

True but it's not the terrorists that are getting killed here. It's mostly innocent people getting killed here. Israel was gonna react regardless but how many times have they done this tactic? A lot. The problem is it hasn't solved anything it's just made it worse. Those palestinians who lose loved ones in these things are often radicalised and want revenge. And it seemingly continues like that with constant repraisals by both sides. 

Something needs to be done to win the hearts and minds of these people and it won't be won by bombing them or forcing them off their lands. 

Alot of this wouldn't even happen had the two state solution happened i don't think. The only decent solution given the history and circumstances. 

They did three times since Hamas has taken power and eliminated the more moderate Fatah.

Basically Israel needs to dismantle their operation networks from time to time otherwise Hamas really becomes a threat.

With Egypt under the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas has gathered a record number of rockets

By the way - in your opinion, who finances those thousands of rockets ?



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bubblegamer on 21 July 2014
fighter said:
bubblegamer said:
Carl2291 said:

On Sky News now -

60 people wounded including 30 medical staff after tanks shelled Central Gaza Hospital.

How can anyone defend this?

Edit - Watch your quote trees people!

Well 3 people were killed in Israel, so that's how. Each civiliian there is worth 200 Palestinian you see..

that is a very twisted argument

it only incates how much desdain palestinian authorities have for their people - the moment palestians want peace Hamas will cease to exist and Israeli would have no reason to defend itself

They wouldn't have to defend themselves if they would stop colonizing the lands of the defenceless. People fight back when they have nothing left. Hamas was born out of desperation. The more Israel continues killing people the more support Hamas will get.



walsufnir on 21 July 2014
crissindahouse said:

The problem with Israel's actions even if they really only want to defend their people and nothing more is that they only make it worse. Not only do they kill more innocent people in a week as the Hamas could do in years with their laughable rockets but they also only increase the hate of certain groups against them and these groups will have it even more easy to get more support in the future.

Israel can destroy tunnels to make it harder for Hamas but that will clearly not decrease the amount of innocent deaths nor will it decrease the number of people who are willing to fight against Israel.


But what opportunity does Israel have? If they don't act they will be taken as cowards and Hamas will even take more actions to threaten Israel which is surrounded by enemies. There only "luck" is that their enemies are also enemies against their own.

Living with constant threat and potential war doesn't make your actions look softly...



OfficerRaichu15 on 21 July 2014
walsufnir said:
crissindahouse said:

The problem with Israel's actions even if they really only want to defend their people and nothing more is that they only make it worse. Not only do they kill more innocent people in a week as the Hamas could do in years with their laughable rockets but they also only increase the hate of certain groups against them and these groups will have it even more easy to get more support in the future.

Israel can destroy tunnels to make it harder for Hamas but that will clearly not decrease the amount of innocent deaths nor will it decrease the number of people who are willing to fight against Israel.


But what opportunity does Israel have? If they don't act they will be taken as cowards and Hamas will even take more actions to threaten Israel which is surrounded by enemies. There only "luck" is that their enemies are also enemies against their own.

Living with constant threat and potential war doesn't make your actions look softly...

I say they should just stop :P

stop killing innocents and making the middle east steretyplicly a aweful place to live because of this :p



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oldschoolfool on 21 July 2014

what's a country suppose 2 do,when every one wants them wiped off the face of the earth?



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JWeinCom on 21 July 2014
bubblegamer said:
fighter said:

it only incates how much desdain palestinian authorities have for their people - the moment palestians want peace Hamas will cease to exist and Israeli would have no reason to defend itself

They wouldn't have to defend themselves if they would stop colonizing the lands of the defenceless. People fight back when they have nothing left. Hamas was born out of desperation. The more Israel continues killing people the more support Hamas will get.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4235768.stm

Actually Hamas was born after Israel pulled out their troops forced their own settlers to leave, and destroyed their military establishments...

Edit: Not born really, but came to power.



JWeinCom on 21 July 2014
OfficerRaichu15 said:
walsufnir said:


But what opportunity does Israel have? If they don't act they will be taken as cowards and Hamas will even take more actions to threaten Israel which is surrounded by enemies. There only "luck" is that their enemies are also enemies against their own.

Living with constant threat and potential war doesn't make your actions look softly...

I say they should just stop :P

stop killing innocents and making the middle east steretyplicly a aweful place to live because of this :p


If you were living in Israel and your town was getting hit by rockets, and your governement was doing nothing to stop it, what would you do?  Probably, since it is a democracy, vote in someone who would do something about it.



fighter on 21 July 2014
bubblegamer said:
fighter said:

that is a very twisted argument

it only incates how much desdain palestinian authorities have for their people - the moment palestians want peace Hamas will cease to exist and Israeli would have no reason to defend itself

They wouldn't have to defend themselves if they would stop colonizing the lands of the defenceless. People fight back when they have nothing left. Hamas was born out of desperation. The more Israel continues killing people the more support Hamas will get.


Simple question :

Why do neighbouring arab countries do little to nothing to help palestinians (their "brothers") ? - why is the palestian gvt using the aid money from US and EU to buy rockets instead of investing in the country ?

It seems like that desperation is orchestrated



Lawlight on 21 July 2014
bubblegamer said:
Carl2291 said:

On Sky News now -

60 people wounded including 30 medical staff after tanks shelled Central Gaza Hospital.

How can anyone defend this?

Edit - Watch your quote trees people!

Well 3 people were killed in Israel, so that's how. Each civiliian there is worth 200 Palestinian you see..


Were there no Israeli killed by Hamas before those 3?



bubblegamer on 21 July 2014
fighter said:
bubblegamer said:
fighter said:

that is a very twisted argument

it only incates how much desdain palestinian authorities have for their people - the moment palestians want peace Hamas will cease to exist and Israeli would have no reason to defend itself

They wouldn't have to defend themselves if they would stop colonizing the lands of the defenceless. People fight back when they have nothing left. Hamas was born out of desperation. The more Israel continues killing people the more support Hamas will get.


Simple question :

Why do neighbouring arab countries do little to nothing to help palestinians (their "brothers") ? - why is the palestian gvt using the aid money from US and EU to buy rockets instead of investing in the country ?

It seems like that desperation is orchestrated

You do know that Hamas is the goverment there, right? Hundreds of people dying is orchestrated, huh? I doubt you would be saying that if a foreign country was killing your people...