Then make a seperate topic about that, but don't bring it in here.

Keep it on topic in this thread. Topic is a benchmark comparsion of the PS4 and Xbox One.

The thing both these consoles have as a plus is optimization, you usually get more out of dedicated gaming machines than a PC. Still, the 8th Gen was kind of obsolete before it even began.

PS4 has a lot of advatages over a 7850 or 7870. It has the 8 ACE / 64 Queues setup only seen on the R9290x. It also has access much more RAM than any variation of the 7850 or 7870 ever did. It is also connected in a way vastly supirior to PCI-E.

The PS4's ability to utilize more memory, comunicate faster CPU GPU, Perform GPGPU operations, and fully utilize every CU in the GPU make it punch above either of those cards, and this even before the improved development enviornment.

Anyone that thinks their GTX 660/760 or 7850/7870 is going to outperform PS4 for a long time to come will be in for a surprise. Not saying they won't be able to play the game, just they won't be able to reach PS4 level graphics on multiplats in the next year or so.

Agree

The 760 is already better than the PS4 architecture. Graphics cards all have dedicated 2-3 GBs DDR5 memory, which keeps them up to speed for the most part with the PS4, and core for core Intel PC processors have a huge advantage over performing tasks than the PS4's 8 cores do. Just because the PS4's GPU has access to a bit more "dedicated" memory, doesn't change the fact that the real-world performance is equivalent to relatively weak mid-end cards.

The reason I put "dedicated" in quotations is because it really isn't dedicated for the graphics. The RAM is shared with the CPU, which eliminates a good portion of it in actual use (and with only 5.5 GB available for game use, that could be a serious issue). With PC, the graphics card always has access to 2-3 GB DDR5 of dedicated memory, and then the system has 8 GB DDR3 more for the CPU to utilize.

damn why did i spend $399AUD on a PS4 last night.....

Yes new Card will be better but what KGB29 Said still hold true. I have a state of the art PC , but still love Vita :). 

No, $200 is considered the start of the high end.  $75 is entry level.  It goes:

$0-$60 = Common user.

$60-$100 = Entry

$100 - $200 = Mid Range

$200 - $300 = High End

$300 - $600 = Enthusiast

$600+ = Insane!

His comment about memory utilization was wrong though. The PS4's GPU has no access to dedicated RAM, it shares 5.5 GB with the CPU, so it doesn't have much more available RAM at any point than the 760 in actual gameplay. 

In the real world, the difference between the PCI-E setup and the PS4's direct setup is relatively negligible overall, as seen by all these different tests which show it only managing to keep pace with the 7850, not above it.

He said it has access to "much more RAM", which isn't true, since it has no dedicated RAM. And dedicated RAM was a bad point on the PS3 because the PS3 only had 256 MB of it for the RSX and 256 MB for the system, which in a way crippled both.

And I'm not talking about optimization, I'm talking about pure graphical power. (And PCs have mod optimization to help as well, btw)