I don't know if will pass 100m or not but it has more chances of do it than the ps3. Reasons: Wii u failing compared to Wii, unlike PS3 being expensive and coming out a year after 360, PS4 has everything on its favor against Xbox One. It's already at 8 millions with almost no exclusive games, I think is more doable for PS4 to reach 100m instead of 3ds.

problem with that. The horrible first 3 years were due to problems the PS4 doesn't have. The PS3 shot up because the issues it had were resolves so people bought it. Those issues do not exist on the PS4 and the numbers are bad.

I also don't get why people are saying the PS4 will be on the market for 10 years. With the way technilogy is progressing, you'd think generations would just keep getting shorter (until it reaches pretty much the critical point) to keep up with the rate of technology. Either that, make upgradable systems.

Also, I think people are look at the numbers of the PS4 from when it launched, Yeah, it sold like a wild fire and flew off the shelves but then... it just... kind of died. Numbers droped to below 100k a week and I don;'t think people are seeing that right now, they just seem to go on about the complete dominance and awesome sales that it.... no longer has and they just are seeing it because they were blinded by the launch of it. People blame it on the summer and that sales usually go down like crazy but... if you look at any console that has sold over 100 million in it's life time (with the exception of the DS... but then Pokemon happened and you know what happens in Japan when pokemon is released), they never dropped this low, this fast. The other thing is people bring up that it is killing the PS3.... well... yes it is but there were a lot of issues with the PS3 at launch, big one being the hefty price tag which the PS4 doesn't have. So... over all, people may be making their predictions too early as the current numbers could show really both senarios just as equal.

well PS2+ XB1 ~ 180 million units lifetime

so far PS3+ X360 ~ 165 million and still selling

I easily see 15+ million more sales between them, and as much as 25 million more

so really it looks as if they will finish somewhere between 180 - 190 million consoles sold.

so if anything it grew last gen.

though i do think this curret gen (PS4+XBO) will sell max 190 million. minimum 150 million

edit: i may as well predict
PS4: 120 million  (+-15million)
XBO: 60 million (+-10 million)

Can't we stop with this "PS2 sold because it was a cheap DVD player" ?

Just go and look at the games released from the first holyday on, PS2 practically had a monopoly on the biggest franchises GTA, MGS, FF, PES/FIFA add Sony's exclusives to that list like GOW and GT it was crazy I was there.

PS4 numbers are bad? the fastest selling Playstation console? Numbers are ok for being the summer and having no new big games.

Bad compared to the original Wii maybe but that was a phenomenon.

I edited my last post and added more, I think you should take a look. I mentioned how people are looking at what it sold at the star and not what it is doing now. And I wasn't just comparing it to the Wii, I was comparing it to any console that sold over 100m.

The perspective here is not wrong but you're missing something. Nintendo is way weaker than it used to be, so obviously

PS4 + XB1 will be greater than PS3 + X360

Assuming the market will shrink from 260 million over 7 years (PS3 + X360 + Wii) to 200 million (PS4 + XB1 + WiiU) and PS4 will get at least 55% of this (currently at 45% and counting although started 1 year after Nintendo), the minimum sales estimate for PS4 is 110 million.

This is revisionist history. Do you have no shame at all? How was the PS3 selling in 2007? PS3 sold 98,500 on June 2007 NPD, PS4 is doing 270,000 for its first June NPD.

Please refrain from posting threads and giving your 2 cents if you do no research at all and just pull a random number.

That's not at all obvious. Wii install base can be split into 4 categories:

1. Multi-generation Nintendo fans these people will buy Wii U in preference to PS4bone

2. "Blue ocean" who only bought Wii. Some of these will buy Wii U but not many by the look of things, and almost none will go for PS4bone because if they aren't getting Wii U chances are the stopped playing Wii a few years before Wii U came out.

3. PS2 owners from gen 6 who went for Wii exclusively. I think this is a tiny % of Wii buyers because most of the people who rejected PS3 went with 360, hence 360's massive GoG growth.

4. "Blue ocean" who upgrade late in the generation to PS3, and more significantly 360 when Kinect came out.

Category 2 and 4 account for the largest proportion of what will be the difference between Wii and Wii U sales when the generation is done. Category 4 is already accounted in the PS360 install base so can;t be a source of GoG growth for PS4bone. Category 2 has almost all left console gaming aside from the ones who will buy Wii U.

In terms of ongoing sales of PS360. I think a combined 6 million this year (of which 2.9 million already sold) and a combined 4 million next year. 360 will end at the end of 2015. PS3 might eek out another 2 million in 2016. So sales from here until the end of PS360 I think might get to 10 million. So PS360 I think will top out at 175 million.

Interesting thing is that while PS2 was on the market for 10 years, the sales years for gen 6 between PS2 and Xb is 14 years (Xb only on sale for 4 years), and the sales years for PS360 is going to be about 18 years.

It's a tough call I feel because on one hand, we really haven't even got a taste of what games we should expect on the PS4 from third parties and Sony. On the other, like others have said, the PS4 is selling good but not outstanding. I personally do not feel it will reach 100m, I'd say 75m-90m.