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PS3 sales for the first 3 years were nowhere near 150k per week. The fact that PS4's year 1 sales are matching PS3's stronger years is indication that PS4 > PS3.

By how much? Who know? If XB1 completely flops, or the PS4 continues to grow at the rate it's growing then yes it will pass 100 million.



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thebrockelley said:

That's some pretty silly logic.

 

The PS3 and Xbox 360 were engineering marvels of their time, ahead of PCs even for a few months; the Wii was a marvel as well for other lesser reasons. Factoring in how much people are willing to play their ps3/360 instead of getting a next gen consoles compared to how quickly people bought the 360/ps3 when they first came out, it's pretty obvious none of these console will reach 100 million..

What's changed from the last generation console launch: Steam, Steam-boxes, buildable PCs that cost as much as these "next gen" gaming consoles, the WiiU, continued support for the previous generations secondary functions that didn't exist even when the 360/ps3 were initially released..

Also, people bought a ps3 because it was only $150 more than a bluray player at the time... think about that.

 

Thinking to the future, Virtual Reality.. We need 4k resolution at least to make a decent looking oculus game, please tell me right now you think the ps4 can push 8 million pixels... I'd love to hear someone say that.

steam boxes failed. PC's have been 'buildable' for over a decade so no change there. PC lost exclusivity on games like a ton of SOE mmo's, tons of indies and the witcher to PS. And oclueless rift got taken over by facebook.

I'd love to hear someone say a £350 PC can push 4k resolution any better than the PS4.



Scoobes said:
Puppyroach said:
Scoobes said:
What?

The PS4 is outselling the PS2 in the same time-frame (the console that sold over 150 million consoles worldwide and was still supported only a few short years ago). That's without any major exclusives and selling on hype and price alone.

Now imagine what happens when the major exclusives/software turn up in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th years, typically the peak years for a consoles sales. For reference, PS2 sold 18, 22 and 20 million units in its 2nd, 3rd and forth full years on the market. Considering its start, PS4 is on course to meet or beat those numbers.

Based on that information, do you really think it won't reach 100 million in its lifetime?

And people said thatg it sold faster than Wii, and now i has been passed. You are absolutely right, it has sold better than PS2 during the same timeframe. Sony shipped 1,41M PS2´s in it´s first fiscial year. After tat, shipmets for the four folloing years were:

9,20M

18,07M

22,52

20,1M

Do you think PS4 will ever be able to match the sales from year three and going forward?

PS2 had a HUGE selling point in their affordable DVD drive. Wii had a HUGE selling point in motion gaming. This generation is.... offering better console techwise than the last, and you think this will help push PS4 past Wii?

DVDs were affordable by year 3 of the PS2s life cycle (and as ubiquitous as video streaming services today), so by that point the PS2 was a pretty expensive DVD player if you wanted a primary DVD player. The whole DVD selling point only really helped push the console for the first year or two. By year 3, even myself as a poor 18yr old student had access to 3 pieces of electronic equipment that could play DVDs. 

The strange thing is you're right in that PS4 doesn't have a truly unique selling point. Only a few major exclusives, upper-mid level PC tech, streaming services similar to the competition and it's not even the cheapest console on the market. Yet it has still sold a ridiculous number of units.

Going forward, if Sony did nothing to rectify this then the sales would drop, but we know they have things in the works. We've yet to see the impact of VR or the release of major next-gen exclusives. And as is the course with consoles, Sony will have unannounced projects and will release hardware/software to expand on the consoles capabilities thereby extending the lifetime sales of the console (as will Nintendo and Microsoft).

Now, will it push past Wii.. yes I think it will, for the simple reason that Nintendo pre-maturely stopped Wii software support. The Wii could have sold so much more than it did, but sales fell off the proverbial cliff after year 4 due to a lack of support. I don't see that happening with PS4. Why? Well, GT7 probably won't come out until year 4 anyway

I also think having SD only hurt Wii's legs.  People just felt like they were buying old tech when those big bars would be on the side of the screen and the Wiimote really wasn't great for traditional games.  Probably why WW HD was my favorite Zelda game (other than it is simply fantastic design and gorgeous) is that I didn't have to deal with the annoying motion controls of TP and the RIDICULOUS ones in Skyward Sword which held back otherwise outstanding games.  Hell I just finished Tropical Freeze (literally this is the first thing I've done since beating it) and it felt so much easier than Returns just because I didn't have to waggle to roll.




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platformmaster918 said:

I also think having SD only hurt Wii's legs.  People just felt like they were buying old tech when those big bars would be on the side of the screen and the Wiimote really wasn't great for traditional games.

Which "big bars on the side of the screen"? Most Wii games had an 16:9 aspect.



Intrinsic said:

 

I think the next gen starts in 2020. Which means this gen will last for 7yrs. On the 6th year we will start hearing or seeing stuff about the 9th gen consoles though. Maybe even nintendo releases early again and come out that year with sony and MS to follow. So in a way I agree with you and don't too. The decline in sales of the previous gen has nothing to do with an industry changing. Console sales can't increase forever, sooner or later they will reach a saturation point and software sales still remained strong. GTA5 sold over 30M copies afterall.

Funny thing about PSnow, is that if its used the way you think sony would use it, basically allowing you to play PS4 games even if you don't have a PS4 (which I don't think they would do) it would actually lenghten the life span of the PS4 not shorten it. Cause it basically means that as long as you are willing to stream and can, all you need is to buy a PStv for $99.

Well, the growth we saw last gen was big, but it was still only a growth of about 30% during 7-8 years. That isn´t huge when looking at it year by year and a smaller growth than that from Gen5 to Gen6. The amount of markets has exploded during this period. 260M ion amazing but the growth itself is not.

Yes, we can agree on that (if it happens the way I think). It would lengthen the life of the PS4, but the sales would be lower since the availability of the "console" would span several platforms (what I referred to when talking about the lifespan is how long it will exist as a traditional console, not a treaming machine). I also believe this would save Sony financially over time since they could expand their audience and sell even more software. I want Sony to thrive and make profit again, but they need to change alot in order to do so.

I also believe this is part of the reason MS´s next console was named "XBox One" and that they focused so hard on cloud computing. They see the console lasting atleast 10 years, but probably more as a streaming machine in a few years time. That way, the consoles can grow in capacity without having to release a new console.



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Ps3 managed 80mill with a steep entry price and huge antagonism from nintendo and MS.
Ps4 managed a 1st place not long after it's launch. Don't write off the new consoles now cause multi games are still cross gen. lets bring this thread back again in 3 years time :)



Scoobes said:
 

DVDs were affordable by year 3 of the PS2s life cycle (and as ubiquitous as video streaming services today), so by that point the PS2 was a pretty expensive DVD player if you wanted a primary DVD player. The whole DVD selling point only really helped push the console for the first year or two. By year 3, even myself as a poor 18yr old student had access to 3 pieces of electronic equipment that could play DVDs. 

The strange thing is you're right in that PS4 doesn't have a truly unique selling point. Only a few major exclusives, upper-mid level PC tech, streaming services similar to the competition and it's not even the cheapest console on the market. Yet it has still sold a ridiculous number of units.

Going forward, if Sony did nothing to rectify this then the sales would drop, but we know they have things in the works. We've yet to see the impact of VR or the release of major next-gen exclusives. And as is the course with consoles, Sony will have unannounced projects and will release hardware/software to expand on the consoles capabilities thereby extending the lifetime sales of the console (as will Nintendo and Microsoft).

Now, will it push past Wii.. yes I think it will, for the simple reason that Nintendo pre-maturely stopped Wii software support. The Wii could have sold so much more than it did, but sales fell off the proverbial cliff after year 4 due to a lack of support. I don't see that happening with PS4. Why? Well, GT7 probably won't come out until year 4 anyway

Yes, DVD:s dropped in price, but by then PS2 had already become ahousehold name. It also offered something noone else could: DVD and a gaming machine in one. MS offered the same but was completely new to the market and more focused on the US.

To further look into how early sales are no indication on longterm sales, look at this:

PS2 first year: 1,41M

PS3 first year: 3,61M

PS2 second year: 9,2M

PS3 second year: 9,24M

Even PS3 outsold PS2 during the first two years, yet ended up with about half the sales. The generations become more and more frontloaded and I think his is a hard callenge for Sony, MS and Nintendo. Sony are way better than Nintendo at supporting their machine with software but even they know the burden it takes on the finances when you keep producing dedicvated gaming machines. You make more money selling only software.



Ps4 will sold 100 millions in 6 or 7 years



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

I'm sure ps4 will do it, just needs to attract Xbox 360 customers and it will be fine.



I don't know where you're seeing the PS3 was doing 150k per week at the same point in time, because that's simply not true. The PS3 was selling well below the PS4.



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