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hsrob on 13 July 2014

Sure they might need a little more time to adapt the WiiU version but it was also announced much earlier, so that doesn't really make sense to me.

What this thread does show is that after announcing the delay (whatever the reason) Slightly Mad studios would have done better to respond by attempting to appease WiiU owners rather than something that equates to "stop complaining about delay, you know you don't have any other options". People have a right to be disappointed about the delay and good PR would have handled this much better.



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Scizor_99 on 13 July 2014
baloofarsan said:
burninmylight said:
KLXVER said:
Ka-pi96 said:
KLXVER said:
Ka-pi96 said:

 

I'm taking their side too. They've been developing this game since well before the Wii U launched and watched it struggle from the get-go, knowing full well their game is probably going to flop like many of the other third party releases on Wii U. Yet, they've remained firm in keeping it coming. This game has been in development longer than any confirmed title, yet it's never been a question of whether it will be canceled, and up until now, Slightly Mad has had nothing but positive things to say regarding it the Wii U and their port for the console.

You can't blame them for securing funding from a major publisher, either. They're essentially an indy studio releasing a big-budget game that will be competing with the likes of Drive Club, Forza and Gran Turismo on most consoles, and fighting just to be relevant to the audience of another. That's an uphill battle on every front.

To anyone who planned to get the game for Wii U, shut the hell up and wait a few months; it's not going to kill you. If the last few months are anything like the first two years, then I can promise you that you will still be getting one hell of a game, or at least a game on par with other consoles. There will be plenty to play in the meantime.

By the way, I never planned on gettng Project CARS. I've never been a fan of realistic racing sims. But if I was, this news wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

I am more into arcade racing but I will get this to the Wii U. I buy most racers I can get my hands on.

Followed the progress of this game and it is true that the Wii U was not in any way put in second place by the developers. As you mentioned it will probably flop on Wii U.

 

Even Vita sold more of Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A Criterion Game (yes, it was lateer than for the other consoles, but it was the only one for the Wii U

PS3     2.37 ---- Xbox360     1.38 ---- PSV     0.65 ---- WiiU    0.14

 

That's a poor comparison.

1. The Wii U version released several months later than the other ones.

2. Need for Speed is a franchise that built its legacy on non-Nintendo consoles.

3. This is a new IP that had a particularly high level of interest from the Nintendo crowd.

 



z101 on 13 July 2014

Really ... Slightly Mad Studios PR is very dumb to let such comment slide through. The Wii U crowd seems to be one if the biggest supporter of this game. You should not insult your supporters this way.

PS4/Xbone owners will probably get their exclusive racers anyway and dont care much about Project Cars. And even big "realistic" racing games have had mediocre sales lately.



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Pristine20 on 13 July 2014
Scizor_99 said:
Pristine20 said:
Clyde32 said:
Pristine20 said:
Clyde32 said:

No, they would have supported the game if it was good, and for the effort.


No one buys a game for the "effort". Even if it was "good", it will still be "worse" than the PC/PS4/X1 versions. I'm sure you can understand why that would be the case. Many enthusiasts would thus end up choosing to play on something other than the Wii U.


Alright, maybe I should rephrase that. They would support the game, not for the effort, but just for them doing their absolute best that they can with the version. Check the poll on the project cars website. PC is on top, Wii U is second.

"Absolute best" = effort and that has never sold games. The lay man would compare the versions and realize that the Wii U's version is the "worst" even if it's the "best" that can be done on WIi U  and choose to play elsewhere. The only time Wii U version is a sell for "realistic" themed games is if they are exclusive to it kinda like the likes of Bayonetta 2.


You're missing the point. The better versions are of course more likely to sell better, but that isn't the only indicator of demand for individual versions. Audience plays a very big part. Why do games from franchises like Skylanders and Just Dance conitinue to do better on weaker Nintendo platforms? LIkewise, Call of Duty sold better on the PS3 and 360 not just because they were so much better technically, but because the family-friendly/casual audience has only limited overlap with the shooter crowd.

I think you're drastically overstating the impact of "better versions". If people cared that much, then Xbox One would be selling a margin worse, and far less people would be gaming on consoles anyway.

I understand your point. I just don't think it works the way you think it does. You were essentially saying that gamers would puchase if  they think the devs did the best they could do and I'm refuting saying that gamers wouldn't puchase just because they think the devs did their best especially if there are better versions.

If the audience plays a part, I think it's safer to say there is more of an audience on PS/ xbox platforms especially when you consider the fact that GT has typically the best selling PS exclusive title in the past and forza is a multimillion seller as well. I also think it's safe to say that Just dance sold to a completely different audience that we're talking about here using your audience argument. I'm not even sure it will sell on Wii U now since said audience is mostly gone. COD blew up on consoles  and I'm not exactly sure how it adds to your argument. Are you saying that the Just dance audience is the same as CODs?

Except that XB1 isn't as much worse as people make it out to be or at least it hasn't shown in any game to date. People do care about these things. It was more apparent at the start of the PS3's lifecycle when it's multiplat versions always did much worse. In the case of the Wii U, it's far worse than it's competition.

Ultimately this argument is pointless because anyone who looks deeply into why the devs chose the platforms they did could see that the PC is the lead platform. When you make a big PC game, it makes sense to port to X1/PS4 because it takes no additional expertise besides maybe control tweaking? Said consoles are PCs themselves. Wii U is a whole different beast. Notice how the PS360 versions were cancelled?



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Scizor_99 on 13 July 2014
hsrob said:
Sure they might need a little more time to adapt the WiiU version but it was also announced much earlier, so that doesn't really make sense to me.

What this thread does show is that after announcing the delay (whatever the reason) Slightly Mad studios would have done better to respond by attempting to appease WiiU owners rather than something that equates to "stop complaining about delay, you know you don't have any other options". People have a right to be disappointed about the delay and good PR would have handled this much better.


Exactly. It makes sense that the PS4 and Xbox One versions would be easier to develop due to being ported directly form the PC, but it makes no sense that it would be taking so long after being announced first (and by far). If the game has to be delayed, they should at least be courteous about it. But it seems that they can say it however they want without repercussion because the general populace doesn't care no matter how much Nintendo fans get shafted.



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Pristine20 on 13 July 2014
Clyde32 said:
Pristine20 said:
Clyde32 said:
Pristine20 said:
Clyde32 said:

No, they would have supported the game if it was good, and for the effort.


No one buys a game for the "effort". Even if it was "good", it will still be "worse" than the PC/PS4/X1 versions. I'm sure you can understand why that would be the case. Many enthusiasts would thus end up choosing to play on something other than the Wii U.


Alright, maybe I should rephrase that. They would support the game, not for the effort, but just for them doing their absolute best that they can with the version. Check the poll on the project cars website. PC is on top, Wii U is second.

"Absolute best" = effort and that has never sold games. The lay man would compare the versions and realize that the Wii U's version is the "worst" even if it's the "best" that can be done on WIi U  and choose to play elsewhere. The only time Wii U version is a sell for "realistic" themed games is if they are exclusive to it kinda like the likes of Bayonetta 2.


When has this ever been about graphics?

It's a "realistic simulator". Graphics are part of what makes it good and what wowed people in the first place. The same way people use internet polls to judge the Wii U's demand, you can go and watch videos for the game and easily see that the number one reason people are excited for it is the realistic graphics. Why do you think they're supporting 4k monitors on PCs? If that's a very important feature of a game, the wii U version becomes the worst one by default.



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Naum on 13 July 2014

By releasing it on the Wii-U months or maybe a year after the PS4/One versions they pretty much "force" us who own more then one console to buy the non Wii-U version.

wich will lead to much less sold Wii-U copies wich will lead to another 3rd party developer complain about lack of sales wich in turn will lead even less effort by 3rd parties in the future.


And some fools wonder why most people only buy Nintendo games on Nintendo systems.



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Pristine20 on 13 July 2014
Naum said:
By releasing it on the Wii-U months or maybe a year after the PS4/One versions they pretty much "force" us who own more then one console to buy the non Wii-U version.

wich will lead to much less sold Wii-U copies wich will lead to another 3rd party developer complain about lack of sales wich in turn will lead even less effort by 3rd parties in the future.


And some fools wonder why most people only buy Nintendo games on Nintendo systems.


So you mean that there are multiconsole owners who would choose the wii U version over ps4/x1 including yourself? That's pretty interesting. Besides straight up support for a console you want to do well, I can't see why anyone would choose the wii U version if they had an alternative.



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"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Porcupine_I on 13 July 2014

Sometimes, people should just keep their mouth shut. There was no right way to respond to this.



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Rab on 13 July 2014
Pristine20 said:

wii U version becomes the worst one by default.


No, unless your very narrow minded and just looked a graphics (All though the Wii U version will look stunning by all accounts), there has always been the gamepad which the other versions don't have, people are looking for different things, Wii U owners particularly, even ones with a gaming PC