Dr.Henry_Killinger said: Now then, with this I have come to the conclusion that the industry we have today was created by PlayStation with the PS1. In this 5th generation, everything changed, from the market demographic to the importance of 3rd parties.

nailed it and in many less words than the OP

You are criticing my thread on the basis of its structure. You feel that I give to much credit to the big 3 because of bias, etc, etc...That's fine you can disagree with that all you want. But your not addressing my point, so their is no need to defend anything.

So, go ahead and make a better thread. I mean its not my fault that you responded to the title, or didn't understand what this thread was trying to convey.

As far as I'm concerned, the focus is the home console industry, something that should be, obivious when it is the main subject matter. The topic is concerning the Wii U, the Xb1, and the PS4, and why they are the way they are currently.

I'm assuming "the industry" means consoles with interchangeable games and we're ignoring plug n' play consoles..

Magnavox created the industry, Atari popularized it, Atari/Coleco/Mattel killed it, and Nintendo/Sega revived it. Everything after that was just additions to what Nintendo and Sega built. Sega was the first company committed to online in consoles and Xbox popularized it. Playstations were popular in a rapidly expanding market, but aside from that they contributed very little to the industry.

What you are failing to realize though is that what came before those shaped everything that came after. The PS* probably wouldn't have existed without Atari....Nintendo....blah blah blah

Nope. They don't.

Sony did dominate the 5th and 6th gen.  I'm going to ignore the 7th, cause I don't feel like arguing about it, and the 8th because the Gen is like 8 months old (since Sony's arrival in it at least).

Actually, scratch that, I'll play along and pretend Nintendo didn't compete in the 7th gen as though selling more gaming consoles in the games industry is somehow something less than direct competition.  I'll even pretend Sony winning the 8th generation is a foregone conclusion.

The problem is those are effects.  You are arguing that you have thought of the cause. 

Basically, it's the classic "this stone keeps tigers away argument".  That's from a Simpsons episode.  In the episode Lisa (mockingly) tells Homer a rock will keep tigers away.  When Homer points out how dumb that is, Lisa points out that there are no tigers around. Of course, there are no tigers, but that doesn't mean that Lisa's proposed cause has anything to do with that.

So, we can all agree (well, I don't but let's pretend) that Nintendo didn't compete in the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th generation.  That doesn't mean that your explanation for why that is the case is right. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0H8CHPIU

Can't take the effect, and make it the cause.

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

You are criticing my thread on the basis of its structure. You feel that I give to much credit to the big 3 because of bias, etc, etc...That's fine you can disagree with that all you want. But your not addressing my point, so their is no need to defend anything.

Well, I thought that I was.  Which I'll get to later.  But I made several points directly regarding your argument that you didn't address.

So, go ahead and make a better thread. I mean its not my fault that you responded to the title, or didn't understand what this thread was trying to convey.

Ummmm... it's my fault that I thought  a thread titled "Playstation created the industry" is about playstation created the industry.  Nope nope.  Your fault.  You're claiming "But they can't address the heart of the issue."  Ever think that maybe nobody is addressing the heart of the issue because they aren't clear what the issue is?  So, that's your fault as well.  I'm just saying, maybe it's not everybody is stupid and misinterpreted your argument.  Maybe your argument was poorly written, unfocussed and unclear. 

So, I'm not trying to be sarcastic at all but to provide useful feedback.  When you write an essay, you need to start with a topic sentence or paragraph.  In an argumentative essay, you introduce your topic, your identify your position, and then you lay out the points that support that position.  So, when you make a topic sentence about Sony creating the industy, people naturally think that's what you're discussing, and that's why they're reacting to that. If Nintendo not being able to compete is your main point, then make that clear in the beginning, not in the last paragraph.

As far as I'm concerned, the focus is the home console industry, something that should be, obivious when it is the main subject matter. The topic is concerning the Wii U, the Xb1, and the PS4, and why they are the way they are currently.

And to properly address that you need to analyze other parts of the industry to see how they intersect and to examine why Nintendo's methods are working in some place and not working in others.  You also have to address things like hardware specs, multimedia capabilities, media storage methods etc etc. 

Obviously, Atari probably wouldn't have existed without George Washington.

We can go further back but not to anything that has direct correlation with the home console market ecsept for Magnovox  which still exist...mostly. Aside from PC which has become it's own thing really and is seperate from home consoles.

These assumptions of yours are really getting out of hand.

5th,6th and 8th currently, with regards to home consoles, Nintendo has not only lost/is losing majority marketshare to PlayStation, its also last overall. These are generations when they are directly competing against PS and later XB for the traditional gaming audience. 7th gen is the exception, the Wii targets the more mainstream casual audience.

At the very least, reproducing the success of the Wii with the methodology of the 64 and GC makes no sense. And has been shown thus far not to work. Sure, the gen is early, but to get overtaken in less then half the time of the system's lead is indicative of a problem.

As for Mobile, this affected the Wii U's casual appeal.

As for Handheld, that strategy will not help the Wii U.

I don't. That is not this thread's purpose. If you wish to address these issues you have, then feel free to make your own thread.