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Is Nintendo treated fairly in the gaming industry?

Yes 113 32.85%
 
No 230 66.86%
 
Total:343

It's sort of a yes and no thing for me, but closer to no.

Issue I have sometimes with places like IGN is when Nintendo announces bad news, they seem to snipe and get it on their website qucikly, but if somebody else does, the either post it or ignore it. I've seen it happen so many times where news is ignored, but then one company is having the finger pointed at them. I think it's because when bad news happen, people grab the oppertunity then they would if it was wonderful news. Sort of like how the news industry works. I think if Nintendo was doing fantastic with Wii U and PS4 wasn't, probably take more notice of Sony. 

To fan boys, they just love to get out there and stirr shit up because they can't get at you on the internet. They will come out with comments that wind people up and get away with it. I've slowly learned not to give a crap and move on because when the good news happens, I can come out and say welldone and then they go quiet,



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etking said:

They are threated fairly. But the weak ultra low cost hardware found in Wii-U and 3DS just cannot compete with today's standards. And 3rd party publishers need to be profitable which is nearly impossible on Wii-U. No chance for profit - no games, it is that easy. The Wii-U is a complete design failure and the 3DS cannot compete with 100$ smartphones which have a much higher resolution and 10 times more processing power.

If Nintendo fans already invested money in a Wii-U they cannot be unbiased and objective anymore because they need to constantly justify the purchase in front of themselves in order to retain self esteem. Nintendofans then make excuses without noticing and deny the complete market failure of the system. They should look at the very poor sales which are unbiased and objective. More people play Knack than Mario 3D World because the Wii-U is a niche system that almost nobody owns or wants to own.

But Nintendo's biggest problem apart from the tablet-controller is the childish image, it is extremely uncool to play Nintendo these days. And Nintendo does absolutely nothing to change that. The N64 had Killer Instict, Conker, Perfect Dark, Turok, Goldeneye and many more adult games, the Wii-U has nothing.

 

3DS is doing fine. Vita cant even compete with the 3DS depite being more powerful, but that doesnt mean it wasnt profitable for Sony, right? The smartphone market is crushing everyone but the 3DS is definitely competeing fine.

 


Knack was bundled very heavily. On other websites like IGN only PS4 fanboys fans honestly used that "KNACK SOLD BETTER THAN 3D WORLD!!!" argument. Please dont use that argument.

 

Zombie U, 2 Assassin Creeds. 2 Call of Dutys, Need for Speed Most Wanted, Fatal Frame, Bayonetta 1 and 2, Devil's Third, Project CARS, Watch Dogs, and Nintendo said they are actively trying to get more games like that.



RolStoppable said:

Yes, that's exactly how I remembered your Capcom thread. Nintendo has the money, so in your opinion it's a mistake for Nintendo to not buy out Capcom. Therefore your thread had a bad premise and was awful.

Not really likely that the Wii U will be a profitable endeavor for Nintendo. They are projecting low overall profits for this fiscal year and the next, and it's going to be the 3DS that is going to push them into the black (if they manage to post a profit). Wii U is a lossleader with no hope for software sales to make up for it towards the end of its lifecycle. The final loss once all is said and done won't be big, but it will be a loss nonetheless.


The Wii U is already selling at a profit now though.



zippy said:

My point being that even if Nintendo are not generating the desired sales, they still find a way to still make money. I mean its nice that Sony have shifted 80 odd million PS3 consoles, but boy have they blown some serious cash in doing so. Sure Nintendo would have liked Wii U to sell Wii numbers, but it doesnt always work out that way, but they will end the gen profitable.

On a side note, people seem to gloss over the fact that there is another piece of Nintendo hardware that has sat near/at the top of the worldwide charts for a couple of years now, and will be the first current gen gaming device to cross the 50 million threshold. So that means both Nintendo and Sony have one device selling well and one selling poorly, so by my logic all is not doom and gloom over at camp Nintendo.

I know what your point is... it just so happens to be that its negigent to a couple of very telling facts.

Those are just two of the three consecutive lossess nintendo has posted. This isn't even counting the $3B in stock market value they have lost in the same period. So I don't know where you get the impression nintendo is still finding a way to make money.

This doesn't mean sony isn't losing money. Or hasn't lost money at some point in time, or hasn't even lost more; there is a major difference though. Sony is a company with as many as four major arms of business. And the playstation isn't even one of those arms, its just a subset of one of the arms. Sony has for the most part lost heavily because buisiness is other arms of its corporation is failing. TV/Computers. And that is why sony is downsizing. 

Why this is relevant is that you are comparing two comapnies that are very different. One has many other things that it can at least in part or mostly attribute to why its losing money and the other has just one business that it is failing in. All nintendo has is the games industry. It doesn't matter if the 3DS s selling well and the wiiU isn't in the same way it doesn't matter if the PS4 is selling well and the vita isn't. What matters as a business, as nintendo or as playstation; is are we profitable? 

The fiscal year ending 2014 sony's Playstation division while boosting revenue for the corporation as a whole still recorded an annual loss of $78M. This pales in comparism to the $280M nintendo lost in the same period and can be attributed to the costs of launching new hardware on sony's part. But for the past 4 years the playstation divison as a whole has been profitable. So if you want to comapare the two companies, don't just say nintendo vs sony, say nintendo vs playstation division.

I don't know about you or how you will choose to look at all this, but losses is what prompted nintendo to jump start the 8th generation. And they are still losing, at the only business they have. That is why there seems to be so much doom and gloom surrounding them. 



XanderXT said:
@Intrinsic
Remember the Gamecube? It had good specs, good third party, and did it outsell the original XBox? No!

Did it have third party support on par with the PS2/XB??? NO!!!!

Its not enough to just have a console that is at least as powerful as the other consoles you are competing with. But its an important first step, would you take a 250cc bike to race against 1000cc bikes and expect to win?

The all important next step is to have the third parties release games on your platform. The original XB knew this was important and lobbied as hard as they could to get a good number of third party support. The GC barely even tried. MS capitalized on this and moneyhatted their way into getting third party parity with the 360 and look at how much good that did for them. Again, nintendo didn't even try. 

We can debate on all the reasons why nintendo is failing all day long, all I am saying is that they should at least have done all the basic things first. The safe things. The obvious things (hardware performance, online infrastructure and third party support). Then we can work out the details or more exotic things (the controller and marketing) later. This is why I say that nintendo failing wil almost make one wonder if they are trying to fail on purpose. Cause they are ignoring the obvious things.



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A few more great games for gamers - few more for families - few more for everyone and a price cut.... yes this holiday will kind of set the position of Wii U. second or 3rd this generation!

either way I love Wiiu I love Nintendo games and I am happy and always will be with it!



Switch!!!

The wiiu is still struggling to sell as good as the gamecube (whitch was a flop), and has almost no 3rd party games.

Every criticism is valid, when your console is this much of a train wreck. On the other hand the 3ds/2ds is just fine in terms of sales (although no where near the ds yet), but sure needs a price drop imo.



AZWification said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Well non-Nintendo consoles don't even need games to sell so...

True, gamers buy consoles to stare at them, and not to play games..


Real gamers buys consoles to play games. Casuals buys fads without games, like the Wii.

Who could have thought? One generation after and the roles has been reversed.



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awesomeabe1998 said:
Miguel_Zorro said:

Don't worry about it.  Piling on consoles that are doing poorly is just the thing we do here.  It happens to most consoles at one time or another.  Everything you complained about happening to the Wii U happened to the PS3 before they turned things around.  Remember the chalkboard?


Of course I remember the PS3! I bought a launch PS3 and a PS3 Slim. So atm I own 2 ps3's. I have also owned a PS1 and 2 I want to also get a PS4 as well. At the same time I have also owned every Ninty console since the N64 and I own a SNES emulator.

The thing is that when Sony or Microsoft are hurting in the gaming industry they are not shunned upon like Nintendo. It is just unfair. Then you have stuff like Nintendo should go third party when they are financially well with around 5 billion dollars cash on hand and 3.5 billion in current assets.


Maybe because more people care about what games they can play on a system rather than how much cash a company has gathered over the years?



Pavolink said:
AZWification said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Well non-Nintendo consoles don't even need games to sell so...

True, gamers buy consoles to stare at them, and not to play games..


Real gamers buys consoles to play games. Casuals buys fads without games, like the Wii.

Who could have thought? One generation after and the roles has been reversed.


Roles are still the same. Sony still has the more powerful console and stuck to traditional controls and strong third party. Nintendo yet again went with a non traditional controller and once again didnt try hard with third party.