Funny you should say that... please look at my reply to his post and the link directly to nvidia that i posted and help us explain all this. 

Sigh...... look at a few posts above you at what surveys have shown to make up the average gamer age and income. I doubt yu are really trying to make points here and picking on me as if i were somehow trying to piss on your precious platform whatever it is..... I am not generalizing when what i am saying can be factually backed. What proof is theer to suggest that console gamers are mostly young and don't have their own money as what he was saying suggested?

It's a generalization regardless of how you tart it up with bunting and ribbon.

OK. So one person says (with absolutely nothing to back up their claim)"console gamers will grow up and have money and move onto more sophisticated platforms". Generally insinuating console gamers are young and don't make their own money...etc. So when they do they will gravitiate to PC gaming.

Another person says (based on numerous market research and surveys) "the average console gamer is a working man and usually and maybe even a family man and is not cash strapped but just has different priorities hence consoles makes more financial sense to him".

Yet you can't tell who is generalizing here? Do you even know what the word means I wonder? But tell you what, if you think what i said (which is based on numerous facts that yu can find from simply doing a google search is a generalization? then theer really is no point to argue with you. We have surveys and market research and financial reports for this exact reason my friend, so people wouldn't just take things outta their ass and run with it. Arriving at conclusions based on such analysis.... is the exact opposite of a generalization. But hey.... what do I know?

Nice try but you're both somewhat off on the sales.

You are comparing final retail prices versus revenue, retail nvidia cards amount for less than 5% of gpu purchases, the rest of the revenue is down to selling GPU dies to third party manufacturers along with specifications for a reference design,. HENCE the term "reference", you can indeed buy them directly on ali express but these are single unit prices, which are high on purpose because theyre intended for people in the business of repairing defective cards, they don't offer any discount on bulk purchases either.

Actually unit cost to third party manufacturers is much, much lower, around $50 for the titan GU and sub $20 for the GTX770 GPU, you calculated 11.5B assuming nvidia sold NOTHING but GTX titans, that's retarded.

Lets assume for the case of the argument, that only 10% of sales are high end cards, thats roughly 100 million, the highest selling high end card is the GTX770 at revenue point of between 16.50-20 usd per unit, depending on arrangements with third parties and if the third parties want to use the reference designs or not, that's 5 million GPU's on just the 10% assumption, moving down the scale to lower end cards, such as GS and GT, die prices drop to sub-$5, so you can easilly end up at around 100m gpus/year sold from that 1.1b revenue for ONE QUARTER.

So even with that drastically cut back estimation of only 10% being high end (despite a 16% growth this year on high end cards alone), that's still 10 million high end cards sold for nvidia alone, factor in AMD too and you have close to 20m high end cards per year.

You're both generalizing, that's the very nature of consolidating an average based off of a survey.

I wasn't gonna reply to this cause I felt it should be obvious. But what the hell.

Those are really good numbers for one quater. so that puts the yearly sales at around 160-170M right? You do realize that this includes "everything" PC related. We are talking laptops from every single vendor known and unknown in addition to discrete GPUs. 

I really can't believe that theer are people heer actually having this argument with me. Please do some research, look up how many laptop/prebuilt PC(desktops/all in ones etc) sales were made in the same period. Subtract that from those numbers and then you start to have an idea of how many standalone GPUs were sold.

Wow. You are not "generalizing" if what you are saying is based of actual numbers that come from market research and surveys. cause that means that what you are saying is statistically accurate. A generalization is based primarily off stereotyping. With no statistical eveidence to back what you are saying. In business, statistics and market/focus reserach is good. Generalization is bad.

Surveys deals with specific and thorough examination over a vast area to enable accurate analysis. Generalizations takes one case scenario and extrapolates it over a vast area and groups everything into that subset. 

It is theoritically impossible to generalize off a survey/market research.... don't you get that. Just look up the definitions of generalize and survey and stop making yourself look silly simply cause you are trying to be right.

Surveys/market research are done so you do NOT have to generalize. What I said is based of such an analysis. Sigh.... its  me saying that after market research its been confirmed  that 60% of gamers are male and you coming here to say that making such a claim based on said research that was done across various demographics and geolocations is a generalization.

Either way, we are derailing this thread. So I will not respond to this matter anymore. If you feel I am generalizing... then thats ok. 

Look at the graph again, buddy.

Nvidia : 23,828,000
ATI/AMD : 28,865,920

Those figures are ONLY the amd and nvidia GPUs, the rest, including "other/unknown" are listed too, but hey, let's pretend that over 75% of laptop gpus aren't Intel right? *rolleyes*

It might have something to do with you ignoring clear and obvious evidence, and bending reality to suit your own argument.

This graph is using hard evidence from each manufacturers annual reports, your argument is that based off of nvidias figures, they could not be selling more than 3 million gpus per quarter.

Yet all evidence points to the contrary, but have fun im dreamland, it's clear you're one of those types, so i'm done and will leave it at this:

Nvidia released a revenue report and nvidia released shipment reports, either theyre lying on one of them or your maths is wrong, I don't know about you, but i'm more inclined to believe them.

Likely people upgrading in the wake of PS4 and Xbone raising the standard.

Fixed.