You may consider it an abomination but some people want that kind of stuff. It will only affect those that want it so why does it even matter to anyone else?

But aren't most atheist proabortion, pro euthanasia, and pro sexual hedonism?

Lol I'm if the only way you can have a discussion is by distorting what the person you are talking to says then I met say I find that quite sad and beyond that is making me more and more reluctant to continue this discussion 

If you can't even understand what you've said that is your problem. Granted its obviously easier to simply relinquish responsibility for something you said then actually admit you're wrong.

Firstly I didn't say religion is bad for someone who speaks of having a wide perspective you fail at it again and again... It did not somehow occur to you that regardless of my criticism of something that I may somehow still consider it as a whole to be good

Who said anything about good or bad, I said religion is neutral, it doesn't do anything. Your criticism itself is wrong, thats the point.

Secondly

"

You are the one ignorantly assuming that all theists don't have the mental fortitude to decide their own values as if deciding to believe in Christinaity or any other Religion is unfathomable"

Lol I'll be honest and say you're losing me here the most how can someone be Christian for example and disregard what makes them Christian? Which is obviously christian values as mandated by the bible should they choose to disregard them... Uh...wild they then not be Christian? 

If someone's values are causing a particular behaviour how can you divorce the 2?

The existence of sects in religion. In christinaity alone there is Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant, Non-Denominational, and those are just some of the popular ones. They are all christian and interpret the bible differently. They share the same core values and beliefs but they are distictly different in their traditions and there own beliefs. 

E.G Catholics worship the Virgin Mary as well, but Protestants do not. That right there is not onlu different interpretation, but different regard for different things. Protestants recognize Mary, but they do not worship her like Catholics do. Not to mention many of these Sects have had a history of "not getting along". Just because they are all christian, doesn't mean they are universally the same. That's just plain ignorance, maybe you need to do your research.

But you have admitted that you cleary do not understand how Christians can beleive in different things because you obviously don't understand religion or Christianity in the slightest. There is nothing "Mandated" by the Bible, it is not a book of law, its a book of faith.

Lol finally I addressed the rest of your post which is basically your nasty habit of claiming I've stated things I actually have not with my first point

FYI o_O.Q seems to be taking the position of "The Bible condones slavery so God condones slavery [assuming the Bible is true and he's real]" which may lead to "I don't want to worship this (probably fake) God".

Also when people say relgion conflicts science, they usually mean the specific doctrines of each religion conflict, not the mere fact that religion allows for a freedom of belief.

IMO Henry you're not really taking this in context, when one person is assuming this or that religion is true (just for argument's sake), and you're taking this with the position that none of it is real (or at least the segments about God or gods, and how they might condone certain actions). So it leads to weird conflict of ideas when you're not really meeting each other head on.

"There is nothing factual about them" religious people would state otherwise lol. Christians treat the Bible as real history (and yes I know some of it is historical, but anything involving interactions with God is debateable at best, unless I was deeply religious then in my head it's actual history). And since they do this, they would assume they're rational as well. Even if certains sects reject certain things, they also accept a lot of other things.

Religion may not force people to hate homosexuals, but if they genuinely believe the Bible or whatever is the word of God, then they clearly identify that homosexuality is a sin (whether they truly hate it or not).

Can you give examples of this? I'm just focusing on Christianity as an example. Which people don't believe their religion isn't factual? Within their particular sect I mean. If these people don't believe it, then they don't sound too religious to me.

There is probably a bigger issue with homosexuality because it's a lifestyle. It's not a simple of matter of "I stole this one time, I better repent, or that person who stole better repent". It's harder to break. But you're right, if they don't act on it in any way and just keep it to their thoughts it doesn't matter much.

You don't have the luxury of going back to your first point any more, this is a discussion, I am responding to the things you have said as it has continued.

And seriously stop starting your paragraphs with Lol, its childish.

And o_O, just so you don't get confused the following is in response to the thread. and claim I'm changing the subject or making up stuff against you:

Frankly, its irrational to believe that Religion is a direct cause of all these atrocities, and not just used as a scapegoat. If their were no religion, you would simply persecute the innocent and allow the criminals to hide behind something else. Thus the argument that Religion is some how causing bad things or responsible for this thing is null and void not to mention simply childish.

The argument that Religion somehow conflicts with science is also wrong, as freedom of belief is neccesary for science since it is based on observation. Its when people in power are styming freedom of belief which ultimately amounts to restrict a system of belief e.g banning religion, forcing people to believe in a religion.

Lol well there's little point in accepting you're wrong for something that was never claimed by you wouldn't you agree? Shall I go back and show you allow the examples?  What I'll say here is that you should follow your own advice acknowledge where you claimed I said things that I never did or in other words where you were wrong

Lol you did you said I was trying to make religion look bad because I brought up some of the negatives associated with it 

"

They share the same core values and beliefs but they are distictly different in their traditions and there own beliefs. "

Lol... Um... That long rant on the different sects was wholly irrelevant to the point I made... regardless of differing beliefs the point remains that what defines them as christian is the beliefs they have and I don't see how anyone that understands what a belief system is could argue otherwise 

Finally regardless of if you want to acknowledge religion's contribution to certain atrocities or not the fact remains that it did

Arguing that oh people have the ability to choose! Is nonsensical if you're speaking of a belief system that is supposed to teach you how to behave... It's that resulting behavior that in some instances causes atrocities