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CrazzyMan on 25 February 2008

x360 is Doomed? =)))



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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HappySqurriel on 25 February 2008

Being that there is no direct quote, and there is only the "suggestion" of them becomming PS3 exclusive I'm willing to bet that this is a misunderstanding ...

Grand Theft Auto 4 was delayed (in a large part) because the PS3 version was not performing nearly as well as the XBox 360 version, and we have heard time and time again that it is easier to port from the PS3 to the XBox 360 than it is to go the other way; even though both of these situations indicate the XBox 360 may be the more powerful console, I will not get into that. It is reasonable to assume that Rockstar may be focusing their efforts on the PS3 in the future to prevent unnecessary delays and frustration.



godf on 25 February 2008

I'd be really surprised if this was true, especially while the PS3 has a smaller installed base than the 360.



MikeB on 25 February 2008
Jandre002 said:
The "current situation" could be very different by the time the games actually come out. If anything, the lead the 360 has now will decrease. The difference between 20,000,000 and 26,000,000 isnt something developers will worry about. What remains true is that without one clear platform to support, it will be harder for the total install base of both consoles combined to reach PS2 numbers.

So maybe backing one horse mid way through isn't such a bad idea. And with the PS3 really having more potential with future games and with install base globally,why not back the PS3.

I have read reports that even in the States preorders for the PS3 version outrank the 360 version, if the PS3 version will indeed outsell the 360 even in the States there's no hope for the 360 version to beat the PS3 version worldwide.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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Just_Ben on 25 February 2008
ssj12 said:
Just_Ben said:
Gazz said:
Just_Ben said:
EA is buying Take Two. You can pretty much assume that PS3 exclusives are gone in a snip.

No, they are not. http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKN249193920080225?rpc=44


Yes they are! Read the article, they bid. And they will get it :)


no, they are waiting to see how much they make off GTAIV then decide.

EA has made a bid, if shareholder take it, they got it. The current Take Two managment thinks this offer is too low, because GTA 4 will turn a profit. The managment has nothing to say, the shareholders do. If they go for it, its done.

 



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Legend11 on 25 February 2008
MikeB said:
Jandre002 said:
The "current situation" could be very different by the time the games actually come out. If anything, the lead the 360 has now will decrease. The difference between 20,000,000 and 26,000,000 isnt something developers will worry about. What remains true is that without one clear platform to support, it will be harder for the total install base of both consoles combined to reach PS2 numbers.

So maybe backing one horse mid way through isn't such a bad idea. And with the PS3 really having more potential with future games and with install base globally,why not back the PS3.

I have read reports that even in the States preorders for the PS3 version outrank the 360 version, if the PS3 version will indeed outsell the 360 even in the States there's no hope for the 360 version to beat the PS3 version worldwide.


Please tell me you're not talking about this article:

http://www.pspsps.tv/2008/02/gta_iv_ps3_preorders_outnumber.html



libellule on 25 February 2008

any link MikeB ???

there was something on amazon.com some times ago



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MikeB on 25 February 2008
HappySqurriel said:

Being that there is no direct quote, and there is only the "suggestion" of them becomming PS3 exclusive I'm willing to bet that this is a misunderstanding ...

Grand Theft Auto 4 was delayed (in a large part) because the PS3 version was not performing nearly as well as the XBox 360 version, and we have heard time and time again that it is easier to port from the PS3 to the XBox 360 than it is to go the other way; even though both of these situations indicate the XBox 360 may be the more powerful console, I will not get into that. It is reasonable to assume that Rockstar may be focusing their efforts on the PS3 in the future to prevent unnecessary delays and frustration.


If you know anything about PS3/360 games development it's easy to understand why 360 games aren't easily ported to the PS3. The same BTW goes with regard to porting DirectX games to rival operating systems no matter how more efficient and competent they may be. It's better to lead on the PS3 and actually this will result into better 360 games when ported as well. PS3 coding requires extra care, but the gains translate well into a 360 world as well.

Some multi-platform developer quotes:

A games developer posting at NeoGAF:

"Using PS3 as a 'lead platform' is the right thing to do if you are going to make a game that has to run on 360 and PS3. The reason is very simple: on PS3 designing your data structure in the proper way is paramount to achieve decent performance (and to scale up..), while your PS3 friendly data will be also 360 friendly data in the vast majority of cases.
This is a big win cause you will definitely be able to get the most from BOTH platforms."

A multiplatform games developer posting at Beyond3D (admitted their initial games were just "quick & dirty ports from 360):

"We all agree given the time we'd like to architect for the SPU's first then work back... giving us cache-friendly algorithms by design "

A multi-platform games developer at the Empire forums:

"asset-wise 360 was around first, so we made stuff keeping the 360 in mind first."

"Well, that all depends on your definition. Writing code optimized for the PS3 and using threading policies that are suited the SPUs is a given, because not doing so would not be acceptable at all. All our multithreading is done on PS3 first without exception, and other platforms emulate SPURS."

"Secondly, the matters of multithreading policies, the whole job queue architecture, encapsulation of jobs and their corresponding data packets, etc. that work on the PS3 are indeed more than applicable of the 360/PC. And as I've mentioned before, they work better than anything and everything that Microsoft recommends (so far without exception for us). The problems lie in the fact that that work is an absolute necessity on the PS3, whereas they're not entirely necessary on any other platform.""

And finally Sony made a statement: 

"Third party publishers and developers are moving away from using Xbox 360 as their primary development platform. They understand that developing on PlayStation 3 first makes more sense and, in fact, will make the Xbox 360 version look better.""

Reading those quotes may shed some light for you onto this topic, so you won't come to wrong conclusions.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

MikeB on 25 February 2008
libellule said:
any link MikeB ???

there was something on amazon.com some times ago

You can check Amazon bestsellers, the PS3 preorder is still ranked higher (despite Microsoft's best efforts). I don't assume there's a reason to believe PS3 owners buy more stuff from Amazon than 360 owners.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Moneybags on 25 February 2008

There could be huge benifits in the future by doing this only if they could persuade other devs to do it as well. This would make an HD console that might actually stand up to the Wii. This would provide a larger cash flow for HD devs and less risk for large budget games.

@epinefridis: You seem to like the 360 so it's obvious why you are refusing to see that there is any sense in this idea.