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The WiiU's online is great for those who don't care about party chat, sending invites, video chat, etc...,  but those who want a more complete online component would rather pay some money in order to experience a better online component... With that said, I am not bothered by the WiiU's flawed online because I was never too big on online gaming!



                
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Tom3k said:
JazzB1987 said:

Guess what make games have player hosted servers as on PC and you would not have server costs at all.

Microsoft and Sony should let people play for free with their friends on servers they can host on their own and should keep the fee for people that care about online tournaments or leaderboard bullshit etc.

What on earth are you talking about? Players hosting servers? You'd actually want to play on a server hosted by another player? You wouldn't feel like the host had an advantage over you? I've been serious PC gamer my whole life, and the last time I've played something hosted by another player was probably Rainbow 6 and Age of Empires over Zone when that existed.

JazzB1987 said:

There is zero advantage and zero plausible reason for people to be forced to pay a fee to play with their friends. I know my friends dont cheat and If I want a 100% guaranteed cheat free game session I could still play on official servers and then pay a fee. Or play on community servers that also run anticheat software like on PC (this is also free!)

When I play with my friends we usually rent our own server. And that's what you refer as a community server... If you think that this servers just pop out of sky for free, than why don't you pop one out? Last time I've checked 70 player server for BF4 is around 90$/month, so that's ~920$/year with 15% discount. So from my perspective 50$ a year on PS4 or One to play with your friends is not such a bad deal. 

1) first of all if I play a coop game WITH a friend who would care about the host having an advantage? Also never heard of dedicated servers? I am playing cood games or strategy games or whatever all the time via lan and thats completely enough.

2)Again if people like you care about "neutral" servers there is tons of community servers that get paid by someone as you said right but how many players use those servers for free? Alot.
If you have 70 people your $920 a year turns into ~$13. Its up to you whether 13 is a bigger number or a smaller one compared to 50. 
Also 70 people paying for the server still allows for additional 100+ to play for free because not everyone needs to pay obviously not everyone plays at the same time! (how many people use a TeamSpeak server and how many people and friends of friends of friendsa ctually pay for that?)

And if you would make everyone pay it would just be $5.4 per person. 170 people would have to pay a total of $8500 on consoles to play online the $920 is obviously less :)    XBLG and PS+ still are a joke.

  And there is a ton of people hosting their own dedicated servers too that dont demand a fee or whatever they just do it for the community why do you think software/modes for dedicated servers exist? I was running a Phantasy Star Online Ep1+2 GC server for years for free.




fedfed said:
cannonballZ said:
Playing online is fine for the most part, but not being able to chat or send messages without having to go into miiverse is a pain. I really wish there was a way for them to add cross-game chat onto wii u. I want to be able to chat with buddies even if we're not playing the same game.


I don't mean to troll or anything, but by the sound of it, it looks like you are paying for a phone subscription if want you want is to chat with buddies even if palying different games!

Not really, I am asking for the equivalent of xbox live party chat. Is that really like asking for a phone sub? Really? Well, I guess ps4 and xbox one come with phone subs.



I don't agree with paid online multiplayer, you've bought the game and therefore the right to play all parts of it.



Hmm, pie.

TheLastStarFighter said:
Intrinsic said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
I hate paid online. Not because I can't afford it, but because I don't want to pay for nothing. It was always free. MS snuck it in there and then Sony. It's so stupid how consumers accept it, but wouldn't accept an $800 PS4 or XBOne.

Pls thats not even the same thing. Remotely. Paying online for the most part is optional, and there are diffrent PS+ tiers and prices. Don't know how that has anything to do with paying for an $800 console. what are you even talking about? Be rest assured, if they somehow tied the cost of a console to the online service and could go on to sell you a $1000 worth of hardware with a $200 down payment and then a monthly subscription people will probably buy into it.

Completely different thing from this though.

Yes, 4 X $5 is way different than $20.  Online is optional only if you don't want to play games online, which is a main feature of most games.  COD has a single player and online multiplayer.  It's part of the game.  It's not an "option".  I shouldn't have to pay extra to unlock it.

Sony charged $600 for PS3 with free online = outrage.  Sony charged $400 + $50 a year for online ($700 for a 6 year cycle)= hooray! it's cheap!

Consumers are easily manipulated. It's unfortunate.

Your comparison seems to have left out some very interesting fact:

1. There are better deals online for a year subscription. Check e-bay or several other online stores (I usually use cdkeys.com).

2. Who says someone needs a one year subsription every year? Some people might not play video games for three months and choose not to renew their subscription. Who says everyone will game on a ps4 for 6 years? So your math of $50 x 6 years is definitely wrong for many people.

3. Around Christmas there are many deals for cheaper psplus on the pstore.

4. There's a massive difference between a $600 ps3 and a $400 + psplus ps4.

    a. Inflation (2007 vs 2013)

    b. It gives the consumer options. If you don't play online, you can still get a ps4 for $400, while the ps3 you had no other option (apart from a $500 ps3 which was discontinued if I'm not mistaken).

    c. The "$400 + psplus" ps4 gives you around 72 games a year. Some for vita, some for ps3, some games that you don't wanna play to begin with, but for some people it is incredible value. Just because you see no value in it yourself, it doesn't mean that you can talk about the average consumer being "manipulated".

If you factor all these things (and maybe some more that I have forgotten), your whole $600 ps3 in 2007 = or > than $400 + psplus ps4 in 2013 doesn't hold much water, now does it?



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Faxanadu said:
jlmurph2 said:
MyCodenameIsIan said:
In my experience it tends to be younger gamers that tend to bemoan paying for online. For most adults it is 2-3 hours of work to cover a year of online gaming.

The fee leads to better technology, dedicated servers which in turn leads to a better online experience.

The problem Nintendo face is gaming seems to be heading towards an always online/persistent world future. Nintendo are already significantly behind with their online infrastructure and are not generating the revenue to convince them to invest in improving it.

Sony stepped it up by offering free games to the service which Microsoft have adopted as well. The games alone make the fee worth paying in my opinion.

I noticed that too. $35-60 a year is nothing to someone with a job. Maybe it might be to someone who has to ask their parents for money. 

Over 5 years that is 300 USD. That is a lot of money for a lot of people.

If I spend 300 USD on a console, I dont want to spend another 300 USD on hidden cost down the road.


If you buy Xbox Live or PS+ at full price then you're a sucker. I always buy it when its on sale on EBay for $30-35. I spend more money at the movies with my girl buying a ticket and concessions than a full year of Xbox Live. And its worth every cent because it has given me so many free games so far, allows me to communicate with friends, if something happens to my Xbox everything is attached to my account so I just have to re-download. Not spend all of that money again on new games. So in actuality since you want to speak in hypotheticals, getting your Wii U broken or stolen costs more money than Xbox Live or PS+ AND getting your Xbox or PlayStation broken or stolen.



jlmurph2 said:
Faxanadu said:
jlmurph2 said:
MyCodenameIsIan said:
In my experience it tends to be younger gamers that tend to bemoan paying for online. For most adults it is 2-3 hours of work to cover a year of online gaming.

The fee leads to better technology, dedicated servers which in turn leads to a better online experience.

The problem Nintendo face is gaming seems to be heading towards an always online/persistent world future. Nintendo are already significantly behind with their online infrastructure and are not generating the revenue to convince them to invest in improving it.

Sony stepped it up by offering free games to the service which Microsoft have adopted as well. The games alone make the fee worth paying in my opinion.

I noticed that too. $35-60 a year is nothing to someone with a job. Maybe it might be to someone who has to ask their parents for money. 

Over 5 years that is 300 USD. That is a lot of money for a lot of people.

If I spend 300 USD on a console, I dont want to spend another 300 USD on hidden cost down the road.


If you buy Xbox Live or PS+ at full price then you're a sucker. I always buy it when its on sale on EBay for $30-35. I spend more money at the movies with my girl buying a ticket and concessions than a full year of Xbox Live. And its worth every cent because it has given me so many free games so far, allows me to communicate with friends, if something happens to my Xbox everything is attached to my account so I just have to re-download. Not spend all of that money again on new games. So in actuality since you want to speak in hypotheticals, getting your Wii U broken or stolen costs more money than Xbox Live or PS+ AND getting your Xbox or PlayStation broken or stolen.

How comes? You have an online account with Nintendo and they transfer the data to the new console. What is the problem with that?



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having all of them, i get frustrated with nintendo free online bc every time there is something big like a release or sales at xmas the network will be down for days, same for when trying to register a free game when mario kart 8 came out, it was very very frustrating. if $5 a month is all it would take to improve things i would be for it. you always can find those 12 month cards for almost half price at xmas and you can can have online on all 3(say if nintendo had a sub too around the smae price) for little more than the price of a new game.

Never hardly an issue with live, sometimes psn will go down randomly for maintenance, but at least it is much improved over psn on ps3 plus the free games with either sub.



 

Faxanadu said:
jlmurph2 said:


 

 


If you buy Xbox Live or PS+ at full price then you're a sucker. I always buy it when its on sale on EBay for $30-35. I spend more money at the movies with my girl buying a ticket and concessions than a full year of Xbox Live. And its worth every cent because it has given me so many free games so far, allows me to communicate with friends, if something happens to my Xbox everything is attached to my account so I just have to re-download. Not spend all of that money again on new games. So in actuality since you want to speak in hypotheticals, getting your Wii U broken or stolen costs more money than Xbox Live or PS+ AND getting your Xbox or PlayStation broken or stolen.

How comes? You have an online account with Nintendo and they transfer the data to the new console. What is the problem with that?


Oh from the comments here and how it works on 3DS(last I heard) it seemed like that wasn't the case for Wii U.



cannonballZ said:
fedfed said:
cannonballZ said:
Playing online is fine for the most part, but not being able to chat or send messages without having to go into miiverse is a pain. I really wish there was a way for them to add cross-game chat onto wii u. I want to be able to chat with buddies even if we're not playing the same game.


I don't mean to troll or anything, but by the sound of it, it looks like you are paying for a phone subscription if want you want is to chat with buddies even if palying different games!

Not really, I am asking for the equivalent of xbox live party chat. Is that really like asking for a phone sub? Really? Well, I guess ps4 and xbox one come with phone subs.

No of course is not. But the service should be free! And yes Nintendo should implement it!



Switch!!!