For those gamers complaining about how everything should be 60fps and that 30fps isn't "good enough" anymore, one wonders how you made it through the 5th and 6th generations of consoles where (save for a handful of rare exceptions like F-Zero X/GX), the vast majority of games ran at 30fps or lower and got significantly bogged down at times when alot of action was happening on screen.

I agree with everything except 720p

720p was a last gen standard and even PCs were 1080p shortly after.

I believe 1080p and 60fps should be the standard for this console gen

1080/ 60 ideal.

And rather 900/60 than 1080/30 exept on turnbased games.

oh god. you bought back some harsh memories man.

I finally switched from SD to HD a few years ago and I do not know how I even lived with SD..

I still have that old TV in my bedroom...taunting me..

Glad you are.

I upgraded to a Olevia then to an IPS monitor. Should have made the change way sooner.

oops, got off topic.

You see why i asked the questions i asked? You actually got upset because i asked for clarity on your statement. If you dont even recognise the majority of PC gamers as PC gamers...then hey maybe your statement makes a bit more sense.

Please note what your statement was btw:

"1080p @ 60FPS has been standard on your average PC for years now"

First off i already said that steam stats is not completely accurate why did you feel it was necessary to state it again?

Also you said "for years now" yet you now refering to 2014 stats specifically.

Secondly "your average PC" you wernt even speaking about PC gamers! I thought id throw that in because surely you dont believe that the average PC can run games at 1080p @ 60FPS? Surely not. The average PC most likely is a laptop with onboard graphics. How can you not agree with that?

It also seems like we are completly in disagreement on what a PC gamer is. If you dont include MOBA's, MMO's and other popular free to play games (and im not talking about candy crush? where the hell did that come from) then you basically exclude the majority of pc gamers. Which is literally the first time ive heard that. If we dont even agree on what a PC gamer is then you are right we shouldnt debate this.

1080p @ 60FPS being a standard for PC gaming is NOT the same as 1080p @ 60FPS has been a standard on your average PC. Those are two very different points. One i agree with the other i do not. PC gaming has in general accepted that as a standard but it doesnt mean the average PC is able to achieve that.

The fact that you just equated LoL and Runescape to Candy Crush is...i dont know. Its a first I've seen those games lumped in together apart from them all being free to play. Candy crush and other facebook games really wasnt on my mind when i was writing my post.

The reason why i jumped in the argument was because you statement was incorrect especially without any context. I replied to your post asking for clarity..its not like anywhere in this thread did people redefine what a PC gamer is...

And now you are calling me confused when i already asked you to give some context to your statement. If you didnt feel like it then you should have rather said that...but instead you make as if im the one talking crap..? Wow. For some reason you also seem to think that i was calling you out..? Errr no. I was simple saying that you statement was false and it remains false without you explaining. You still havent given any proof that the AVERAGE PC is capable of 1080p @ 60FPS as a standard. Nothing.

Considering my decent PC specs in my sig...you basically saying im below the average PC because i sure as hell have not been able to achieve 1080 @ 60 FPS with the majority of the games i play. Yet i am indeed a PC gamer and quite an enthusiastic one at that.

For all those saying the human eye is limited by framerate that is false.
The Human eye streams what we see constantly, it works with a continuous flow of light/information.
The brain is what discerns between framerate and its a learned acquisition, i.e if you play at 120, 30 fps will be 1/4 of the framerate your brain is used to seeing and your eyes will pick out all of the details easily, it will look choppy.

Games need more frames then TV because realtime rendering results in sharper frames and little motion blur as opposed to TV which results in smoother frames to give the illusion of fluidity and motion.

Thats pretty much exactly the way i see it.

BTW does anyone else in this thread agree that MMO and MOBA gamers are NOT PC gamers?

Because Steam stats are one of the only reliable sources of information on the subject, did you even read what I wrote? I was trying to make a point in my previous post and you completely ignore it. Does it matter that I show 2014 stats? It's common sense, it's not like all of a sudden 33% of Steam users use a 1080p resolution over night, again why do you bother to bring that up? Don't be kidding yourself, in you previous post you acknowledged that I am talking about PC gamers, what else do you possiblity think I could be referring to? From the moment I made my reply to you and spent my entire last post making that clear, you choose to ignore it. You asked for clarity and right after completely jumped into your arguement. Uh yeah alright, I can sure tell how much that clarity mattered to you in this discussion. I really question how much of my post you read and I'm covinced you're only here for the sake of argument now. Especially since you now pretend that I said because someone plays a MOBA or MMO they're automatically not a PC gamer, way to miss the point there.

I see no reason to continue this further with you, but I will completely agree on "If we dont even agree on what a PC gamer is then you are right we shouldnt debate this." and leave it at that. Any reply to this point is going to be ignored.

Devs are going for 60fps but the majority of the consumers dont give a fuck so 30fps is commercially the most profitable for publishers.