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Leadified on 21 June 2014
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Shinobi-san said:
Leadified said:

You just won't let it go will you? First thing to consider about Steam is not every user on Steam is a PC gamer. A fair amount of users probably only log on once in a while and play one game like DOTA and call it a day. But if you look at Steam's own survey, http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/. A large amount of people are running computers more than capable to run games in full HD and 60 fps, you can safely call that a standard. Where the heck did you get, "average/standard gamer's PC is using onboard integrated graphics" from? Even with all things considered that is completely wrong. But adding in "average PC gamer into it" is even more wrong, what kind of self-proclaimed PC gamer would run a rig with an Intel 4000 for gaming, nevermind that being a standard. Besides the majority of manufacturers have been targeting full HD and good performance in all but their lowest and cheapest tiers, because that's the standard and has been the standard for PC gaming in the last couple of years. It wouldn't be a standard  if people didn't make it so, the demand that exists today wouldn't happen if it wasn't a standard, the term that "PC ports look better than console versions" would pretty much have close to no substance if it wasn't anywhere close to the standard. Not to mention, I'm not saying something new or unqiue here, posters right here in this thread have called 1080p and 60 fps a standard for PC gaming.

But I think I found the problem, and that is your definition of a PC gamer. If we go by your definition then yeah there is a good chance you might be correct, but let's back up here. Would you consider someone who just plays League of Legends or Runescape on their computer a PC gamer? I think you'd be hard pressed to try to push that definition, I assumed you wouldn't think to lump people who play Candy Crush on their computers with people that are playing Skyrim on Ultra settings in the same catergory but it looks like I thought wrong. But you said it yourself "Those type of gamers are not initially investing in decent gaming hardware to play games like Crysis 3, Metro etc." so why even bother bringing them up if you're implying they're a seperate catergory to begin with?

I'm sorry but why did you even jump into this arguement and try to call me out if you were confused in the first place? If you were more clear in the beginning you could've saved yourself the trouble, instead you try to claim victory on what exactly?

You see why i asked the questions i asked? You actually got upset because i asked for clarity on your statement. If you dont even recognise the majority of PC gamers as PC gamers...then hey maybe your statement makes a bit more sense.

Please note what your statement was btw:

"1080p @ 60FPS has been standard on your average PC for years now"

First off i already said that steam stats is not completely accurate why did you feel it was necessary to state it again?

Also you said "for years now" yet you now refering to 2014 stats specifically.

Secondly "your average PC" you wernt even speaking about PC gamers! I thought id throw that in because surely you dont believe that the average PC can run games at 1080p @ 60FPS? Surely not. The average PC most likely is a laptop with onboard graphics. How can you not agree with that?

It also seems like we are completly in disagreement on what a PC gamer is. If you dont include MOBA's, MMO's and other popular free to play games (and im not talking about candy crush? where the hell did that come from) then you basically exclude the majority of pc gamers. Which is literally the first time ive heard that. If we dont even agree on what a PC gamer is then you are right we shouldnt debate this.

1080p @ 60FPS being a standard for PC gaming is NOT the same as 1080p @ 60FPS has been a standard on your average PC. Those are two very different points. One i agree with the other i do not. PC gaming has in general accepted that as a standard but it doesnt mean the average PC is able to achieve that.

The fact that you just equated LoL and Runescape to Candy Crush is...i dont know. Its a first I've seen those games lumped in together apart from them all being free to play. Candy crush and other facebook games really wasnt on my mind when i was writing my post.

The reason why i jumped in the argument was because you statement was incorrect especially without any context. I replied to your post asking for clarity..its not like anywhere in this thread did people redefine what a PC gamer is...

And now you are calling me confused when i already asked you to give some context to your statement. If you didnt feel like it then you should have rather said that...but instead you make as if im the one talking crap..? Wow. For some reason you also seem to think that i was calling you out..? Errr no. I was simple saying that you statement was false and it remains false without you explaining. You still havent given any proof that the AVERAGE PC is capable of 1080p @ 60FPS as a standard. Nothing.

Considering my decent PC specs in my sig...you basically saying im below the average PC because i sure as hell have not been able to achieve 1080 @ 60 FPS with the majority of the games i play. Yet i am indeed a PC gamer and quite an enthusiastic one at that.


Because Steam stats are one of the only reliable sources of information on the subject, did you even read what I wrote? I was trying to make a point in my previous post and you completely ignore it. Does it matter that I show 2014 stats? It's common sense, it's not like all of a sudden 33% of Steam users use a 1080p resolution over night, again why do you bother to bring that up? Don't be kidding yourself, in you previous post you acknowledged that I am talking about PC gamers, what else do you possiblity think I could be referring to? From the moment I made my reply to you and spent my entire last post making that clear, you choose to ignore it. You asked for clarity and right after completely jumped into your arguement. Uh yeah alright, I can sure tell how much that clarity mattered to you in this discussion. I really question how much of my post you read and I'm covinced you're only here for the sake of argument now. Especially since you now pretend that I said because someone plays a MOBA or MMO they're automatically not a PC gamer, way to miss the point there.

I see no reason to continue this further with you, but I will completely agree on "If we dont even agree on what a PC gamer is then you are right we shouldnt debate this." and leave it at that. Any reply to this point is going to be ignored.