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Forums - Gaming - [Poll] Do you count a console exclusive as an exclusive?

 

Well,

Yes 187 40.30%
 
No 232 50.00%
 
For retail games 20 4.31%
 
Maybe because... 24 5.17%
 
Total:463
Ucell on 19 June 2014
sales2099 said:
Raziel123 said:
sales2099 said:

Granted many don't operate under strict XB1 vs PS4 mindsets....but they should ;)


Feel free to explain why, specially considering that it actually benefits PS4 more.

Well I for one consider including PC a weakness. Because it no longer becomes XB1 vs PS4. It becomes XB1 vs PS4 + PC. This tells me PS4 is inferior by itself as a PS fan needs another system to compete with X1's library.

I don't care what people play but when I compare X1 to PS4, I compare what one has that the other can't do. Nothing else matters and games shouldn't be sweeped under the rug because anothe system not in the comparison can play them.

Well an X1 owner will also need to have a powerful PC for him to play FF XIV: ARR. So it becomes X1 + PC vs PS4 in that case. See how it can be turned the other way around.

However many console gamers like myself also have a powerful PC. So console exclusives become a moot point then.

Also not everyone cares about X1 vs PS4. I have the latter and will get the former this December. So you can't direct everything to an X1 vs PS4 discussion because many of us don't care about that.



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AZWification on 19 June 2014

Nope, just like how Left 4 Dead 2 wasn't an exclusive game either!



                
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Conina on 19 June 2014
WiiStation360 said:

For everyone reference, here are the Wikipedia list of games for PS4/XBox One.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One_games

I like these lists a bit better:

They are more neatly arranged... all non-exclusives are void in them.



d21lewis on 19 June 2014

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sales2099 on 19 June 2014
Raziel123 said:
sales2099 said:

Well I for one consider including PC a weakness. Because it no longer becomes XB1 vs PS4. It becomes XB1 vs PS4 + PC. This tells me PS4 is inferior by itself as a PS fan needs another system to compete with X1's library.

I don't care what people play but when I compare X1 to PS4, I compare what one has that the other can't do. Nothing else matters and games shouldn't be sweeped under the rug because anothe system not in the comparison can play them.

You're contradicting yourself. You just made it clear that you need to exclude PC is order to compete with PS4's library, hence that is a XB1 weakness. There isn't a "PS4 vs XB1" bubble. Those aren't the only 2 options. If it's on PC it's not exclusive. If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself.

Yes, I believe in a 1 vs 1 scenario to see which is a better option in itself. That is what comparisons do, regardless of real world situations.....like certain fans using PC as a crutch.

"If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself."

Actually it means PS4 is inferior by itself because X1 is self sufficient.



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Raziel123 on 19 June 2014
sales2099 said:

You're contradicting yourself. You just made it clear that you need to exclude PC is order to compete with PS4's library, hence that is a XB1 weakness. There isn't a "PS4 vs XB1" bubble. Those aren't the only 2 options. If it's on PC it's not exclusive. If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself.

Yes, I believe in a 1 vs 1 scenario to see which is a better option in itself. That is what comparisons do, regardless of real world situations.....like certain fans using PC as a crutch.

"If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself."

Actually it means PS4 is inferior by itself because X1 is self sufficient.


To see which is a better option you look at the whole picture. That's what a comparison is

And no, if it needs games that aren't exclusive, then it means it's not self sufficient. XB1 exclusives aren't enough, therefore it needs a crutch of games available on another platform. That's what you're really saying.

A self sufficient platform doesn't need games available on other platforms to stand on its own. 

By your logic if every single XB1 game was available on Wii U the XB1 would win against PS4 because its games aren't on PS4...? what? None of that makes any sense whatsoever.



d21lewis on 19 June 2014
Raziel123 said:
sales2099 said:

You're contradicting yourself. You just made it clear that you need to exclude PC is order to compete with PS4's library, hence that is a XB1 weakness. There isn't a "PS4 vs XB1" bubble. Those aren't the only 2 options. If it's on PC it's not exclusive. If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself.

Yes, I believe in a 1 vs 1 scenario to see which is a better option in itself. That is what comparisons do, regardless of real world situations.....like certain fans using PC as a crutch.

"If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself."

Actually it means PS4 is inferior by itself because X1 is self sufficient.


To see which is a better option you look at the whole picture. That's what a comparison is

And no, if it needs games that aren't exclusive, then it means it's not self sufficient. XB1 exclusives aren't enough, therefore it needs a crutch of games available on another platform. That's what you're really saying.

A self sufficient platform doesn't need games available on other platforms to stand on its own. 

By your logic if every single XB1 game was available on Wii U the XB1 would win against PS4 because its games aren't on PS4...? what? None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

If every single big game like Call of Duty and Batman were on PS4 and Xbox One and not Wii U, I'd definitely call the Wii U the loser....not too far from reality, is it?



Porcupine_I on 19 June 2014

That depends if it fits my agenda



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sales2099 on 19 June 2014
Raziel123 said:
sales2099 said:

You're contradicting yourself. You just made it clear that you need to exclude PC is order to compete with PS4's library, hence that is a XB1 weakness. There isn't a "PS4 vs XB1" bubble. Those aren't the only 2 options. If it's on PC it's not exclusive. If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself.

Yes, I believe in a 1 vs 1 scenario to see which is a better option in itself. That is what comparisons do, regardless of real world situations.....like certain fans using PC as a crutch.

"If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself."

Actually it means PS4 is inferior by itself because X1 is self sufficient.


To see which is a better option you look at the whole picture. That's what a comparison is

And no, if it needs games that aren't exclusive, then it means it's not self sufficient. XB1 exclusives aren't enough, therefore it needs a crutch of games available on another platform. That's what you're really saying.

A self sufficient platform doesn't need games available on other platforms to stand on its own. 

By your logic if every single XB1 game was available on Wii U the XB1 would win against PS4 because its games aren't on PS4...? what? None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

What I am saying that if I were to just own a X1, I wouldn't need a PC as much as a PS4 owner would. That is what I mean by self sufficient.

"By your logic if every single XB1 game was available on Wii U the XB1 would win against PS4 because its games aren't on PS4...? what? None of that makes any sense whatsoever."

Yes, yes it would win against PS4. Because Xbox and PS are locked rivals. Not Nintendo. Not PC. It is MS vs Sony, Xbox vs PS. Keep the discussion in the family. When you deviate from that strict criteria, you admit it can't compete by itself.





Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 19 June 2014
d21lewis said:
Raziel123 said:
sales2099 said:

You're contradicting yourself. You just made it clear that you need to exclude PC is order to compete with PS4's library, hence that is a XB1 weakness. There isn't a "PS4 vs XB1" bubble. Those aren't the only 2 options. If it's on PC it's not exclusive. If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself.

Yes, I believe in a 1 vs 1 scenario to see which is a better option in itself. That is what comparisons do, regardless of real world situations.....like certain fans using PC as a crutch.

"If you need to include PC games then the XB1 is inferior by itself."

Actually it means PS4 is inferior by itself because X1 is self sufficient.


To see which is a better option you look at the whole picture. That's what a comparison is

And no, if it needs games that aren't exclusive, then it means it's not self sufficient. XB1 exclusives aren't enough, therefore it needs a crutch of games available on another platform. That's what you're really saying.

A self sufficient platform doesn't need games available on other platforms to stand on its own. 

By your logic if every single XB1 game was available on Wii U the XB1 would win against PS4 because its games aren't on PS4...? what? None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

If every single big game like Call of Duty and Batman were on PS4 and Xbox One and not Wii U, I'd definitely call the Wii U the loser....not too far from reality, is it?

Thank you! If Nintendo and MS were locked rivals you bet your ass I would count those 3rd party games in X1's favor.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.