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Do you think 3rd party should stop this laziness?

Yes, it pisses me off 297 71.91%
 
No, Wii U deserves piss poor ports 115 27.85%
 
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Ucell on 19 June 2014
SocialistSlayer said:
Ucell said:
padib said:
roboplato said:

LOL you have no idea how this industry works, n64, GC, wii, and wiiu, all had bad third party support, wii was the only success, now compare that with playstation consoles which always had great support, they all sold over 80 million. Nintendo needs third party's.

Like the Vita, right?

Nintendo needs only itself, thank you very much.

The Vita doesn't have third-party support. It doesn't have first-party support either. No point in comparing with PS consoles.

If Nintendo only needs itself, I guess you are one of those who think 20-30 15 million console sales are enough. But even that is looking unlikely.

fixed.

i find it funny how nintendo fans act as if 3rd parties owe something to nintendo. They dont, nintendo doesnt reach out to them and incentivize. Nintendo has dreadful 3rd party relations, and they are showing no signs of trying to rectify that. 3rd partys in in business to make money, and nintendo doesnt make an invironment to cultivate making money.

and then nintendo fans get angry when 3rd party support dwindles, and state dumb things like they dont need 3rd party, they can survive on 1st party alone. Thats the point ninty fans only care about ninty games, which is why 3rd partys stop even trying. the market isnt there. and ninty will be relagated to ~15million console sales, and ~75% of the games sold will be nintendo.

if you think nintendo can survive in the console market like that, then good, because thats all they are going to have going for them.

Actually Nintendo did everything to drive away third-parties in the late-80's and early-90's which is what has eventually led their consoles to a dire situation like this. Of course this guy doesn't believe it is so and thinks that Nintendo software is enough to sell their consoles very well.

I guess reality wouldn't set into him no matter what.



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BreedinBull on 19 June 2014

Stop putting half-assed consoles on the market Nintendo! See, that can go both ways.



Thanks jlmurph!

fps_d0minat0r on 19 June 2014
curl-6 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

The shitty ports on Wii U weren't from Xbone/PS4 though, they were from PS3/360, so there's no legit reason for them to be shitty.


The legit reason is because they are also shitty on PS3/360, but people accept thats how games are gonna be on 8 year old hardware.

If you want there to be a big difference between the games, there has to be a big difference between the hardware... which there isnt.

There's no legit reason for them to be worse than PS3/360 though. That's just laziness and/or incompetence.


Same could be said about every developer who didnt utilise the cell processor, or every developer who isnt utilising ESRAM in the X1, or every developer who is putting 3DS ports on the vita, or every developer who treated PSmove/kinect like a bolt on.

All im trying to say is that it happens to all platforms, its not like they are biased against nintendo and wii U.

Infact it even happens to the PS4. The console is more than powerful enough to handle lego games at 60fps, but it still gets capped to 30, probably because they dont want to spend the extra time required to make it a solid 60fps.



DarkRPGamer007 on 19 June 2014

Even if the console isn't as powerful doesn't mean the ports have to suck. Look at Rayman Legends. Obviously it's not as demanding as other games but still they took intricate time with it and made it great!



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Arcturus on 19 June 2014

It's just not worth their time and effort to bring "full assed" ports to the WiiU. We've seen what happens when a competent version of game is brought to the Wii U - it's met with terrible sales.



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Conina on 19 June 2014
padib said:
pokoko said:

It's a simple situation.  Microsoft and Sony try hard to build an environment where other publishers and developers can make a lot of money.  Nintendo does not.  The results speak for themselves.

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd parties, so Nintendo doesn't need to form partnerships.
WiiU   25.34 18.81 74.23%

Yeah, because 19 million first party sales in 19 months seem very healthy for Nintendos standards. The shareholders will be very happy, if the software sales stay that way. "Wii don't needs no stinkin' license fees of the third-party-scum! Aarrr!" ;)



oniyide on 19 June 2014
amp316 said:
Instead companies should go all out like Namco Bandai did with Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and sell like 5 copies. That reminds me... I'm going to unlock some more stuff on that.


that was the definitive version and nobody bought it. Thats what people are talking about when they say WIi U owners dont buy games. They sold 5 copies because thats all people were willing to buy, not because Namco only made 5 copies.



oniyide on 19 June 2014
padib said:
Ucell said:

My main point was:

"Nintendo games sell to mostly the same audience. But their consoles need a larger audience, one their games can't bring in. Its pretty obvious."

The Vita isn't really a counterpoint to that because it has no third-party support. The PSP didn't have much either but it had tons of first-party games which made it sell along with a very few third-party games.

However PS home consoles always sell well and they have great third-party support. Nintendo home consoles haven't sold well since they lost third-party support except for the Wii.

That proves my point that Nintendo needs third-party support for their home consoles to sell well.

In that case, explain to me how Nintendo sold so much software on their handhelds, if the Wii is an exception? What tastes was Nintendo so much more able to cater to on that front?

the handhelds have 3rd party, they have ALWAYS had 3rd party support. DS especially. 



oniyide on 19 June 2014
padib said:
Ucell said:

Actually Nintendo did everything to drive away third-parties in the late-80's and early-90's which is what has eventually led their consoles to a dire situation like this. Of course this guy doesn't believe it is so and thinks that Nintendo software is enough to sell their consoles very well.

I guess reality wouldn't set into him no matter what.

Um I do believe it, don't assume things. It's not because you're wrong on everything else that I don't accept facts when you're not.

Yes, Nintendo software is enough to sell their consoles in an age where Sony and MS are catering to a narrow audience.

Reality is my basis, as I've shown in the other thread it's not yours.

if this is true why has PS4 already passed Wii U? why is xbone doing better? Why are they both kicking ass despite being more expensive? Why did GC and N64 flop the way they did despite Ninty software?



oniyide on 19 June 2014
padib said:
oniyide said:

the handhelds have 3rd party, they have ALWAYS had 3rd party support. DS especially.

I know. It doesn't change the fact that their 1st party sales are huge I posted the numbers a few times.

Platform Platform sales Sales as publisher Ratio
GB 501.11 230.09 45.92%
GBA 377.41 115.06 30.49%
NDS 815.43 351.48 43.10%
3DS 136.86 83.23 60.81%
Totals ->  1830.81 779.86 42.60%

I understand that 3rd party games help push the baseline of other games, but the numbers are too big to credit 3rd parties for the feats. As for 3DS, Nintendo sold 61%.

dude nobody is saying otherwise. whats up with you? ALl they are saying is you need 3rd party support to get a certain number of consoles out otherwise youre relegated to damn GC-n64 numbers. SNES had 3rd party. N64 didnt, hence massive drop. GC was a bit better, but still not equal. Wii had 3rd party contrary to popular belief. it was shovelware but people still bought it. Hell the only games being bought on Wii are 3rd party just dance and skylanders. Now if you are fine with Wii U doing GC numbers thats great. Somehow i dont think Nintendo is fine at all. So they going to have to change something.