LOL exactly, pricing your product and the value proposition is a major part of it, people brushing it off make me laugh. Ps3 was more expensive, rarely are consoles the exact same price , especially over an entire gen.

As I said to another member above, I didn't mean a flat out failure. It is mainly all the hype that I think it failed to live up to. I think it sold decently.

I was on NeoGaf earlier today and someone shared that WalMart was selling the Forza 5 X1 bundle for $430. That's much better value than getting the stand-alone console for $399 and the same game. It's safe to say that the debundling isn't helping the X1 at all.

I don't even think it will sell that well Sunset Overdrive 2 millions max

They should both be scared of Nintendo

according to fanboys on the internet. we all know those dont really use logic. 

its a new IP that had a high metascore, sold 2.8 million at retail alone  within just 3 months of sales and no holiday season yet(VGC Numbers), already secured a sequal and is in one of the biggest publishers in the worlds (EA) long term plans for the biggest genre in gaming. 

sure, it didnt flat out crush everything in its wake when it released, but thats because of the consoles it was released on. it did push sales, it did help the XB1, but no one game is going to save a console in trouble. calling it a failure on multiple levels doesnt make sense due to the success it has achieved on multiple levels. financial success, success in creating a long term plan, metascore success, good word of mouth, success in pushing XB1 sales. yes, it wasnt the Wii Sports of XB1, but who ever expected it to move millions upon millions just wasnt being realistic. 

Why? Nintendo is no threat to PS4, Nintendos biggest IP MK did not outsell PS4, 1 week boost is not sustainable.

Yes it will be their biggest test so far but I think they will still beat the X1 even in June's NPD.