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Wyrdness said:

Except point out the insult because the are none if you think someone responding to your post is insulting you that's your own personal issue otherwise you're fabricating something because you don't have much to stand on, want to talk about strawman arguments look at your post it's essentially "But that was a long time ago things are different now", it's like saying human rights shouldn't exist because we're not living in the dark ages.

You sure like your straw men, don't you? Try this one, it's like saying death penalty shouldn't exist because we're not living in the dark ages. Or, homosexuality should have remained illegal because it was once criminalized (at least in Finland). These arguments make no sense, do we agree? The sport is different now, playing away matches is different now so I'm saying it's time for re-evaluation. 

The example of West Germany shows you that people don't have the mentality you'd like them to have so the game had to be changed to stamp such things out, I read the rest of your post by the way, you admitted the rule is doing its job then went on to say you don't like Atleti as well as come up with no counter argument for the rule.

Yup, game and rules need to be improved. I'm all for video refs too. West Germany example was a serious matter, good they resolved it. Maybe back then there was some people saying "noo this is how it has been and should be" :) I did say that the rule is (obviously) doing it's job but also thought it forces certain tactics that shouldn't be there today. Just because a rule is doing what it's aimed to do doesn't necessarily mean there is a need for the rule. 

Your two questions were already answered, with out the rule Bayern would not have attacked as hard as they did as 2-1 would mean going to extra time and penalties, the rule meant that Atleti's goal counts towards their head to head so Bayern could no longer hope for extra or penalties and had to win the game outright with out response. Yes Football would revert back to exploiting tactics probably even more so now why? Because things are more money driven now, grind the win out and progress, more teams would park the bus away.

Yes, without the rule Bayern wouldn't have been forced to go all-out attack when goals are 2-2. Both teams with same amount of goals, it's a tie. This is my problem with the rule. But surely you agree they would have had to attack if they were a goal down? I know this isn't exactly what you said but I find it hard to believe teams would just take turns in parking the bus and attacking. Scoring goals also when playing away would be a good tactic, and away goals aren't so rare today, like I said, playing away these days is not as hard as it was in 60s for various reasons. What if we saw more of them because home team wouldn't have to be overly cautious with attacking?

 

Ok I'll start watching the game studio now so I don't have time to finish all my thoughs. We'll continue tomorrow if you want. We're getting nowhere though heh.



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leyendax69 said:
Slarvax said:

You're making it sound like only Atlético does it. Every team/player that is winning does this. No exception. Time wasting is very common.

Come on, other teams do that too but Atletico does it on a different level. Yesterday's match turned me from neutral to root for Bayern and now whoever reach the finals, Real or City. I really hope this playstyle doesn't succeed

Also Simeone could be a good manager, but he's an absolute twat

That playstyle already had some success in 2010 with Inter and 2012 with Chelsea ( that final was simply... ugh). though. I wonder when are we going to have another final like the 2013 one, no tiki taka bs, no parking the bus bs, just 2 teams playing amazing offensive football.



                
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KiigelHeart said:

Ok I'll start watching the game studio now so I don't have time to finish all my thoughs. We'll continue tomorrow if you want. We're getting nowhere though heh.

Your rebuttal made no sense not because it got your point over but because it literally makes no sense especially in the context of the argument, the sport is different now because of the rules a point you're either having trouble understanding or just trying to side step for the sake of your argument much like society now is different because of laws that were implemented. Your response unfortunately for you in attempting to try and debunk it completely fell flat on it's face as not only does it fail to address the fact that the current conditions are the result of the rules it literally comes across as a dumb response from someone trying to be smart and that's not an insult by the way that's how it comes across.

The rule does its job as you have admitted and to top it off it doesn't change much as far as playing on the pitch goes, what it does is that it takes into account head to head performance. If a team wins 1-0 at home but loses 4-3 away overall across both legs they were better and that's what it comes down to, this in itself forces teams to perform over both legs because the away goals count towards performance much like in Boxing every punch counts even if it doesn't knock out or hurt the other boxer.

I find it more funny you think teams would not park the bus especially in the modern era when teams like Atleti, Chelsea and even Bayern themselves in a previous era had numerous success with such tactics to grind out wins. An away goal counts towards performance that's why teams go for it otherwise they wouldn't risk much going away and would bank it all on home results. Many of these players and managers aren't out to entertain you or progress the game which I suspect is your thinking here, they're out to make money and be paid like Ronaldo and Rooney so they can live the George Best life even if it means grinding out dull results to bring in more money.



AZWification said:

That playstyle already had some success in 2010 with Inter and 2012 with Chelsea ( that final was simply... ugh). though. I wonder when are we going to have another final like the 2013 one, no tiki taka bs, no parking the bus bs, just 2 teams playing amazing offensive football.

Honestly I don't have a problem with defensive football, not my cup of tea but it's ok. Time wasting on the other hand especially the way Atletico does, that's my problem. Without mentioning terrible behaviour by their players like looking for a fight on purpose or throwing the ball far from the opposite team, I mean even Simeone did that yesterday and it's awful to watch



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Wait, Toure is back? I had no idea lol

 

Oh shit. Kompany is out.



Bale :(



This is not going well for City but then again it never goes well for many teams in Madrid.



Man City can definitely win this.

Toure needs to be subbed! He is not even walking. But who is gonna replace him?

Ronaldo is risking an injury.



kowenicki said:
Yellow card for DeBruyne after zero contact. Nice. Get up you cheating scumbag.

Marcelo is such a cunt. F%^$