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Porcupine_I said:
curl-6 said:

This is a sad reminder of just how powerful and dangerous misogyny and sexism still is in today's world.

This man was a product of a society that promotes the belief that a man is entitled to sex and attention from women; a society that says that a man's worth is determined by sexual conquests and violence/domination. Since he couldn't achieve the former, he resorted to the latter.

An excerpt from his manifesto, which you can read here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled




Seems like he'd be right at home with the  taliban or something. Talking about taking away the rights of others because they don't want him. It's always funny to hear guys complain about girls who reject them when they themselves won't date every girl. The whole time, he was crying about blondes. How many blondes are there? Perhaps if he had just being a little less shallow, he'd have found plenty of girls who were attracted to him.

I made similar mistakes in undergrad when looking for relationships. I was always going after the "it" girls when I really had nothing to offer them. Good thing I have omega thick skin  and I'm not entitled so I simply reevaluated my life and approach  afterwards. Through graduate school, I sat back and paid more attention only to realize that there were plenty of girls who wanted me too. I was just ignoring them. I'll bet good money that this was his number one problem.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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Pristine20 said:
Porcupine_I said:
curl-6 said:

This is a sad reminder of just how powerful and dangerous misogyny and sexism still is in today's world.

This man was a product of a society that promotes the belief that a man is entitled to sex and attention from women; a society that says that a man's worth is determined by sexual conquests and violence/domination. Since he couldn't achieve the former, he resorted to the latter.

An excerpt from his manifesto, which you can read here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled




Seems like he'd be right at home with the  taliban or something. Talking about taking away the rights of others because they don't want him. It's always funny to hear guys complain about girls who reject them when they themselves won't date every girl. The whole time, he was crying about blondes. How many blondes are there? Perhaps if he had just being a little less shallow, he'd have found plenty of girls who were attracted to him.

I made similar mistakes in undergrad when looking for relationships. I was always going after the "it" girls when I really had nothing to offer them. Good thing I have omega thick skin  and I'm not entitled so I simply reevaluated my life and approach  afterwards. Through graduate school, I sat back and paid more attention only to realize that there were plenty of girls who wanted me too. I was just ignoring them. I'll bet good money that this was his number one problem.

Well that's pretty much summarizes it. You just have to curve your expectations and work on your approach. If we assume that human physical attractiveness can be measured on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is the lowest and 10 is the highest then most people will fall in the 5 range. If you are a 5 you should be dating within your attractiveness range. Most people do. It's rare to find a couple where one is disproportionately ugly or pretty in relation to the other. When you do see this there are often ulterior motives such as monetary gain.

If I were to rate the killer, and this is all subjective, I'd place him anywhere from 5-6 to 6-7 at the high end. Sounds like he was going for girls who were in the upper crust, the 7-8s or 8-9's. This doesn't work. Girls are usually aware of how attractive they perceive themselves to be and more importantly how OTHERS perceive them. People don't look for mates who they perceive the be less attractive than they are. It's not being shallow, it's being real about what you want in a partner.

Physical attractiveness is the founding blocks of any relationship. Emotional attachments and other compatibiity factors come second. 

So I commend you Pristine20 for finally realizing you were being unrealistic with your expectations. 



reggin_bolas said:
Pristine20 said:
Porcupine_I said:
curl-6 said:

This is a sad reminder of just how powerful and dangerous misogyny and sexism still is in today's world.

This man was a product of a society that promotes the belief that a man is entitled to sex and attention from women; a society that says that a man's worth is determined by sexual conquests and violence/domination. Since he couldn't achieve the former, he resorted to the latter.

An excerpt from his manifesto, which you can read here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled




Seems like he'd be right at home with the  taliban or something. Talking about taking away the rights of others because they don't want him. It's always funny to hear guys complain about girls who reject them when they themselves won't date every girl. The whole time, he was crying about blondes. How many blondes are there? Perhaps if he had just being a little less shallow, he'd have found plenty of girls who were attracted to him.

I made similar mistakes in undergrad when looking for relationships. I was always going after the "it" girls when I really had nothing to offer them. Good thing I have omega thick skin  and I'm not entitled so I simply reevaluated my life and approach  afterwards. Through graduate school, I sat back and paid more attention only to realize that there were plenty of girls who wanted me too. I was just ignoring them. I'll bet good money that this was his number one problem.

Well that's pretty much summarizes it. You just have to curve your expectations and work on your approach. If we assume that human physical attractiveness can be measured on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is the lowest and 10 is the highest then most people will fall in the 5 range. If you are a 5 you should be dating within your attractiveness range. Most people do. It's rare to find a couple where one is disproportionately ugly or pretty in relation to the other. When you do see this there are often ulterior motives such as monetary gain.

If I were to rate the killer, and this is all subjective, I'd place him anywhere from 5-6 to 6-7 at the high end. Sounds like he was going for girls who were in the upper crust, the 7-8s or 8-9's. This doesn't work. Girls are usually aware of how attractive they perceive themselves to be and more importantly how OTHERS perceive them. People don't look for mates who they perceive the be less attractive than they are. It's not being shallow, it's being real about what you want in a partner.

Physical attractiveness is the founding blocks of any relationship. Emotional attachments and other compatibiity factors come second. 

So I commend you Pristine20 for finally realizing you were being unrealistic with your expectations. 

I dont think it's that simple actually. Plenty of ugly guys with much prettier girls. I think it comes down to what can I offer in a relationship to this person who I want to be my partner. People always think of relationships in terms of what they can receive without ever thinking of what they can give. An ugly guy who is extremely funny might be providing a much prettier girl entertainment while a very rich guiy may be providing a much poorer prettier girl with access to wealth (this is very common). He seems like he was trying to use his wealth to gain girls who may already be wealthier than him....not a recipe for success.

Should've worked on other aspects of himeself, joined groups of people who shared similar hobbies so his potential partner would have someone to relate to, etc.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

badgenome said:
JPL78 said:

I think the main problem we have is lobbyist. Billionaires and powerful corperations shouldn't be able to buy and control our shitty corrupt legislators. When large majority's of the American people want certain things and our so called "representatives" vote against these things our system is completely failing. Then furthermore so many of them are able to stay in power for 40 plus years wii no real threat of being removed because of blatant districting abuse....

we have so many problems in this country.

I realize that's a convenient and appealing explanation because it makes a clear enemy out of unsympathetic people (the rich), but it's overly simplistic and I wouldn't even rate it as a major problem. It's not like Congress votes in secret, and career politicians don't stay in Washington for 40 years on their own say so.

The main problem in any democracy is always the population. When people are fat and stupid and just want their bread and circuses (corn and porn, in our case), "more democracy" cannot be the solution. I'm afraid the standard of living is going to have to take a precipitous drop before America pulls its head out of the Doritos bag and any change can take place. Even then, you'll just have a bunch of angry people who have been systematically infantilized, so nothing good is likely to come of it. Simple people want simple solutions and lazy people want easy solutions, but there aren't any to be had.

I realize it's oversimplistic but it's a paragraph in an internet discussion not a doctoral thesis. I don't disagree with you either but making blanket statements that fat Americans with their heads in Doritos bags are dumb and lazy and that is the problem is a bit oversimplistic as well.

And for the record I don't advocate "more democracy" but a more effective and representational one. I know that is a pipe dream.



SocialistSlayer said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Luck said:

Im just happy to be part of a community that doesn't value non-hunting guns as an essential household commodity.


What is a "hunting gun" as apposed to a "non hunting" gun.? What's the difference? 


Hunting gun usually refers to a rifle you would use to hunt a deer moose. 

so typically any rifle chambered in .223 to .250 savage to .308 up to like .338 lupua (thats probably a little overkill though)

Lol maybe. Most of my relatives use a .303 and that's more than enough to bring down a good sized buck.



 

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JPL78 said:

I realize it's oversimplistic but it's a paragraph in an internet discussion not a doctoral thesis. I don't disagree with you either but making blanket statements that fat Americans with their heads in Doritos bags are dumb and lazy and that is the problem is a bit oversimplistic as well.

And for the record I don't advocate "more democracy" but a more effective and representational one. I know that is a pipe dream.

I don't think it is all that oversimplistic. That was a bit of illustrative hyperbole, sure, but people being content to be ignorant and lose themselves in distractions for as long as they can is both basic human nature and the cause of many, probably most, societal and political problems. Most people only poke their heads up when their good time is interrupted, at which point they are ticked off and looking for something to kill so they can go back to normalcy ASAP. When 9/11 signalled an end to the heyday that was the '90s, it was, "Kill them ragfucks!" When Iraq turned into a clusterfuck there was a lot of, "Bush is Hitler! OMG, Bush must've done 9/11!" When the housing bubble burst, it was all, "Goddamn banks!" Everyone always suddenly fancies himself to be some kind of expert on this new and unfamiliar situation just because he has strongly held opinions about it, and very few people shut the hell up and bother to actually become educated on the complexities before coming to a conclusion about it.

And that's the problem with a more representative democracy. Who is going to win a popularity contest, do you think? A smooth liar, or an unpolished but honest person? A guy who tries to contend with the vagueries of life and tells some unpleasant truths? Or a guy who promises easy explanations and quick solutions, complete with a devil onto whom all blame conveniently falls?



Pristine20 said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Pristine20 said:
-CraZed- said:
badgenome said:
He also killed half of his victims with a knife. Who's up for some knife control?


Me. We also need more automobile control, starting with those evil BMWs,  as he killed at least one of his victims with his Beamer.


You pro-gun folks sometimes make some really ridiculous arguments. A car's purpose is transportation. A gun's purpose is to kill efficiently. Everything cancause death. Now I don't think a gun ban really solves anything but you guys need to stop these useless comparisons. FYI, you won't win a war with the U.S. govt no matter how many guns you stash. Best case scenario is a bloodbath with 10X the casualties on the civillian side.

thats simply untrue

How so? You'd have to provide much more detail than that if you want to refute a point.


there are many guns not specifically designed to kill, let alone effieciently. You also have to take into account the type of bullet used. There are a multitude of things guns and ammunition are designed for



 

Facts? LOL, how about if the killer didn't had guns there woudn't be a massacre. And before you say it, guns manufactures make the guns that criminals carry, they don't appear by magic. And finally it's the gun manufactures that profit from shootings like this. But of course i already know you will ignore this, because you're all about the "facts"...





McDonaldsGuy said:
SlayerRondo said:
Leadified said:
 


Is, freedom at all costs, really something worth attaining? You have a Pandora's Box of possibilites awaiting you.

Is, a life without freedom, really something worth having?

All I have done is drawn a line and said the cost of new gun controls would take us too far away from being free. As I implied in the beginning, some measures are tollerable while some are not.

If we were to restric freedom to the point that no one would die, that is a world I would not wish to live in.


Yeah! Go freedom! Freedom to kill college students, kids, and more! Who wants to live in a society where we can't have the freedom to go to a college and start shooting random strangers?


This has got to be the biggest, most disgusting strawman I've ever seen anywhere on the Internet. Im completely serious, god damn man



badgenome said:
JPL78 said:

I realize it's oversimplistic but it's a paragraph in an internet discussion not a doctoral thesis. I don't disagree with you either but making blanket statements that fat Americans with their heads in Doritos bags are dumb and lazy and that is the problem is a bit oversimplistic as well.

And for the record I don't advocate "more democracy" but a more effective and representational one. I know that is a pipe dream.

I don't think it is all that oversimplistic. That was a bit of illustrative hyperbole, sure, but people being content to be ignorant and lose themselves in distractions for as long as they can is both basic human nature and the cause of many, probably most, societal and political problems. Most people only poke their heads up when their good time is interrupted, at which point they are ticked off and looking for something to kill so they can go back to normalcy ASAP. When 9/11 signalled an end to the heyday that was the '90s, it was, "Kill them ragfucks!" When Iraq turned into a clusterfuck there was a lot of, "Bush is Hitler! OMG, Bush must've done 9/11!" When the housing bubble burst, it was all, "Goddamn banks!" Everyone always suddenly fancies himself to be some kind of expert on this new and unfamiliar situation just because he has strongly held opinions about it, and very few people shut the hell up and bother to actually become educated on the complexities before coming to a conclusion about it.

And that's the problem with a more representative democracy. Who is going to win a popularity contest, do you think? A smooth liar, or an unpolished but honest person? A guy who tries to contend with the vagueries of life and tells some unpleasant truths? Or a guy who promises easy explanations and quick solutions, complete with a devil onto whom all blame conveniently falls?

Well, we both know the answer to that. Like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you but I don't think you realize that you are making lots of blanketed generalized statement. If the actual truth lies somewhere between white and black and one needs to fully understand a situation in order to form an opinion then you can't turn around and say things like "everyone does this, everyone does that."  When even you know that is not accurate. Very few actual people think George Bush caused 9/11. I'm mostly liberal and I know that is just a conspiracy theory.  That would be like me saying all billionaires are greedy useless scum buckets when I know people like Bill Gates and his wife spend their time and money trying to fight third world disease.

Two different educated people will often form two different opinions. Knowing the facts of a situation seldom changes anyone's mind. People believe what they want to believe and they reinforce those beliefs every chance that they get. I never really claim to know everything but I view the world around me and I come to my opinions. But you have to be very arrogant to say "I have it all figured out and anyone opposing me is just ignorant to the situation." Especially when opinions are usually subjective.

As far as distractions, you are a video gamer, I don't really think I need to address that. We all need escapism, that's why it exists. I'm not saying it is an excuse for apathy but it is normal to an extent.