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McDonaldsGuy said:
SlayerRondo said:
Leadified said:
 


Is, freedom at all costs, really something worth attaining? You have a Pandora's Box of possibilites awaiting you.

Is, a life without freedom, really something worth having?

All I have done is drawn a line and said the cost of new gun controls would take us too far away from being free. As I implied in the beginning, some measures are tollerable while some are not.

If we were to restric freedom to the point that no one would die, that is a world I would not wish to live in.


Yeah! Go freedom! Freedom to kill college students, kids, and more! Who wants to live in a society where we can't have the freedom to go to a college and start shooting random strangers?


This has got to be the biggest, most disgusting strawman I've ever seen anywhere on the Internet. Im completely serious, god damn man



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badgenome said:
JPL78 said:

I realize it's oversimplistic but it's a paragraph in an internet discussion not a doctoral thesis. I don't disagree with you either but making blanket statements that fat Americans with their heads in Doritos bags are dumb and lazy and that is the problem is a bit oversimplistic as well.

And for the record I don't advocate "more democracy" but a more effective and representational one. I know that is a pipe dream.

I don't think it is all that oversimplistic. That was a bit of illustrative hyperbole, sure, but people being content to be ignorant and lose themselves in distractions for as long as they can is both basic human nature and the cause of many, probably most, societal and political problems. Most people only poke their heads up when their good time is interrupted, at which point they are ticked off and looking for something to kill so they can go back to normalcy ASAP. When 9/11 signalled an end to the heyday that was the '90s, it was, "Kill them ragfucks!" When Iraq turned into a clusterfuck there was a lot of, "Bush is Hitler! OMG, Bush must've done 9/11!" When the housing bubble burst, it was all, "Goddamn banks!" Everyone always suddenly fancies himself to be some kind of expert on this new and unfamiliar situation just because he has strongly held opinions about it, and very few people shut the hell up and bother to actually become educated on the complexities before coming to a conclusion about it.

And that's the problem with a more representative democracy. Who is going to win a popularity contest, do you think? A smooth liar, or an unpolished but honest person? A guy who tries to contend with the vagueries of life and tells some unpleasant truths? Or a guy who promises easy explanations and quick solutions, complete with a devil onto whom all blame conveniently falls?

Well, we both know the answer to that. Like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you but I don't think you realize that you are making lots of blanketed generalized statement. If the actual truth lies somewhere between white and black and one needs to fully understand a situation in order to form an opinion then you can't turn around and say things like "everyone does this, everyone does that."  When even you know that is not accurate. Very few actual people think George Bush caused 9/11. I'm mostly liberal and I know that is just a conspiracy theory.  That would be like me saying all billionaires are greedy useless scum buckets when I know people like Bill Gates and his wife spend their time and money trying to fight third world disease.

Two different educated people will often form two different opinions. Knowing the facts of a situation seldom changes anyone's mind. People believe what they want to believe and they reinforce those beliefs every chance that they get. I never really claim to know everything but I view the world around me and I come to my opinions. But you have to be very arrogant to say "I have it all figured out and anyone opposing me is just ignorant to the situation." Especially when opinions are usually subjective.

As far as distractions, you are a video gamer, I don't really think I need to address that. We all need escapism, that's why it exists. I'm not saying it is an excuse for apathy but it is normal to an extent.



Mericas gun laws need to change.



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stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Facts? LOL, how about if the killer didn't had guns there woudn't be a massacre.
so the other 4 people he didnt kill with a gun dont count?

 And before you say it, guns manufactures make the guns that criminals carry, they don't appear by magic.
And finally it's the gun manufactures that profit from shootings like this.
how do gun manufacturers make money from this?
But of course i already know you will ignore this, because you're all about the "facts"...








 

SocialistSlayer said:

stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Facts? LOL, how about if the killer didn't had guns there woudn't be a massacre.
so the other 4 people he didnt kill with a gun dont count?

 And before you say it, guns manufactures make the guns that criminals carry, they don't appear by magic.
And finally it's the gun manufactures that profit from shootings like this.
how do gun manufacturers make money from this?
But of course i already know you will ignore this, because you're all about the "facts"...






Well, there was that period after Sandy Hook when AR-15's were purchased in record numbers. I realize that was a response to the call for an assault rifle ban not the actual shooting. It is creepy however that a gun most recently know for shooting a bunch of school kids immediately became the hot, must have item for gun enthusiasts.



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JPL78 said:
SocialistSlayer said:

stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Facts? LOL, how about if the killer didn't had guns there woudn't be a massacre.
so the other 4 people he didnt kill with a gun dont count?

 And before you say it, guns manufactures make the guns that criminals carry, they don't appear by magic.
And finally it's the gun manufactures that profit from shootings like this.
how do gun manufacturers make money from this?
But of course i already know you will ignore this, because you're all about the "facts"...






Well, there was that period after Sandy Hook when AR-15's were purchased in record numbers. I realize that was a response to the call for an assault rifle ban not the actual shooting. It is creepy however that a gun most recently know for shooting a bunch of school kids immediately became the hot, must have item for gun enthusiasts.

it didnt suddenly become so popular,  its always been the most popular rifle in the US.   so its natural that if something is the most popular you will see a huge sales spike on talk that it could be banned.



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JPL78 said:
SocialistSlayer said:

stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Facts? LOL, how about if the killer didn't had guns there woudn't be a massacre.
so the other 4 people he didnt kill with a gun dont count?

 And before you say it, guns manufactures make the guns that criminals carry, they don't appear by magic.
And finally it's the gun manufactures that profit from shootings like this.
how do gun manufacturers make money from this?
But of course i already know you will ignore this, because you're all about the "facts"...






Well, there was that period after Sandy Hook when AR-15's were purchased in record numbers. I realize that was a response to the call for an assault rifle ban not the actual shooting. It is creepy however that a gun most recently know for shooting a bunch of school kids immediately became the hot, must have item for gun enthusiasts.

you mean to tell me the most popular gun in america, that liberal statists have such an irrational fear of that they pee themselves by the mere utterance of its name, had a sales spike after said liberals wanted it banned because... um reasons... its evil.

And this is somehow gun manufacturers faults. It sounds like its the statists in the gun control loby and their acolytes in congress fault.



 

Hypothesis-
Case 1 - Give a psychopath a knife/sharp object and see how many people he could kill before being apprehended.
Case 2 - Now give him a gun (any lethal gun would do) and see how many people he could kill.

Most of the world except USofA are fine without "right to killing with guns". And dear US still cannot afford to change a centuries old law that is probably one of the most obsolete laws in any big democratic constitution.



Dragon246 said:
Hypothesis-
Case 1 - Give a psychopath a knife/sharp object and see how many people he could kill before being apprehended.
Case 2 - Now give him a gun (any lethal gun would do) and see how many people he could kill.

Most of the world except USofA are fine without "right to killing with guns". And dear US still cannot afford to change a centuries old law that is probably one of the most obsolete laws in any big democratic constitution.

wait, are you telling me the rest of the world has a right to kill each other with means other than a gun?



 

SocialistSlayer said:
JPL78 said:

Well, there was that period after Sandy Hook when AR-15's were purchased in record numbers. I realize that was a response to the call for an assault rifle ban not the actual shooting. It is creepy however that a gun most recently know for shooting a bunch of school kids immediately became the hot, must have item for gun enthusiasts.

you mean to tell me the most popular gun in america, that liberal statists have such an irrational fear of that they pee themselves by the mere utterance of its name, had a sales spike after said liberals wanted it banned because... um reasons... its evil.

And this is somehow gun manufacturers faults. It sounds like its the statists in the gun control loby and their acolytes in congress fault.


No, I meant to tell you what I told you. Learn to read. The AR-15 sold more after Sandy Hook. I didn't say it was the manufacturers fault, don't put words into my mouth. You are a rube if you think Bushmaster didn't profit from the whole senario though.