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ICStats on 20 May 2014

My predictions are not spot on, but still happy with them

December 2013

roborad said:

ICStats said:
shikamaru317 said:
So, I was just looking at pricing histories for various consoles. Here are the first two price drops for each 6th and 7th gen console:

Xbox
-$100 (7 months after release)
-$20 (19 months after release)

PS2
-$100 (18 months after release)
-$20 (30 months after release)

Gamecube
-$50 (7 months after release)
-$50 (23 months after release)

Xbox 360
-$20 (21 months after release)
-$80 (34 months after release)

PS3
-$100 + bigger hard drive (12 months after release)
-$100 + bigger hard drive (33 months after release)

Wii
-$50 (34 months after release)

The trend is that the more expensive a console is to start with, the faster you see price drops. The Xbox One is the most expensive console this generation. Like I said above, I expect we'll see $450 or 400 in time for Holiday 2014, $400 or $350 by Summer 2015, and $350 or $300 by Spring 2016.

Good data.  I think it also shows that whichever console is losing in sales gets cut quicker.

PS2 taking 18 months for any change, while Xbox & Wii cut in 7 months.
Wii & X360 taking 34 months for a serious cut, while PS4 took a big cut in 12.

So I think XB1 will get cut quick and deep, because it's expensive and will be killed by the PS4 :P.

I doubt the xbox one is getting or will be killed by the ps4.

It will definitely be outsold by the ps4 (many people see a $100 difference and will automatically jump at the cheaper product), but I doubt the xbox one will sell poor enough to see a very quick and 'deep' price cut.  Titanfall and Halo 5 (and probably fable legends) will keep the boosts coming, not to mention the other exclusives.  
ICStats said:
selnor1983 said:
Its the best selling Xbox every week so far. Don't expect a cut anytime soon.

XB1 has sold great, but it's too soon to call it a trend.  The Xbox 360 was in much lower supply, taking 3 to 4 months to ship 1 million units to the US when it launched.  It's hard to tell if the XB1 has a better start thanks to it's appeal or thanks to it's stock availability.

The 360 launched with $299 Core and $399 Pro models, so I think we'll see the $499 XB1 have a harder time in the long run.

I think we'll get XB1 Core for $399 with no Kinect sooner rather than later.

February 2014

ICStats said:

I don't know if they will, but I think they should.

My prediction - XB1 without kinect with a bundled game for $399, 2014 holiday season. See you in 8 months.

If Sony can sell PS4 with a more powerful GPU and 8GB GDDR5 memory for $399, then MS should be able to get the Kinect-free XB1 below $399 soon.


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Nicklesbe on 20 May 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
NightDragon83 said:
Hey, what about all of us who called Sony's bluff with their "This Changes Everything" unveiling of Move when we said it was a lazy and half-hearted "me too" attempt at jumping on the motion control bandwagon?

At least M$ tried to support Kinect 2.0 and stuck with it even after the bad PR it received pre and post-E3. They looked at how successful Kinect was on 360 as a stand alone product and predicted (incorrectly) that a more advanced model would be a system-seller if it were a pack in and integrated with the hardware.


Sony designed the Move a two years before the Move launched. Look at their design videos on Youtube. They were on the camera motion control bandwagon a generation ahead of Nintendo.  Keep discrediting them. Keep it coming.

Meh let em blow off steam. His console of choice is back tracking on kinect and possibly ruined it's future. That can't be easy. Must be infuriating to see something as awesome as project morpheus unleashed which move is a key part of. Must also be infuriating to see awesome games on Ps3/ps4 like Dust514 that F2P and truly innovative offering standard controller, or mouse and keyboard, or precise motion controls while 360 had annoying at best motion games or games like fruit ninja or work out games.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 20 May 2014
Nicklesbe said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
NightDragon83 said:
Hey, what about all of us who called Sony's bluff with their "This Changes Everything" unveiling of Move when we said it was a lazy and half-hearted "me too" attempt at jumping on the motion control bandwagon?

At least M$ tried to support Kinect 2.0 and stuck with it even after the bad PR it received pre and post-E3. They looked at how successful Kinect was on 360 as a stand alone product and predicted (incorrectly) that a more advanced model would be a system-seller if it were a pack in and integrated with the hardware.


Sony designed the Move a two years before the Move launched. Look at their design videos on Youtube. They were on the camera motion control bandwagon a generation ahead of Nintendo.  Keep discrediting them. Keep it coming.

Meh let em blow off steam. His console of choice is back tracking on kinect and possibly ruined it's future. That can't be easy. Must be infuriating to see something as awesome as project morpheus unleashed which move is a key part of. Must also be infuriating to see awesome games on Ps3/ps4 like Dust514 that F2P and truly innovative offering standard controller, or mouse and keyboard, or precise motion controls while 360 had annoying at best motion games or games like fruit ninja or work out games.


I liked Dance Central, but the Kinect has always been no more than a multimedia scroller device to me.



Nicklesbe on 20 May 2014
ICStats said:

My predictions are not spot on, but still happy with them

December 2013

roborad said:

ICStats said:
shikamaru317 said:
So, I was just looking at pricing histories for various consoles. Here are the first two price drops for each 6th and 7th gen console:

Xbox
-$100 (7 months after release)
-$20 (19 months after release)

PS2
-$100 (18 months after release)
-$20 (30 months after release)

Gamecube
-$50 (7 months after release)
-$50 (23 months after release)

Xbox 360
-$20 (21 months after release)
-$80 (34 months after release)

PS3
-$100 + bigger hard drive (12 months after release)
-$100 + bigger hard drive (33 months after release)

Wii
-$50 (34 months after release)

The trend is that the more expensive a console is to start with, the faster you see price drops. The Xbox One is the most expensive console this generation. Like I said above, I expect we'll see $450 or 400 in time for Holiday 2014, $400 or $350 by Summer 2015, and $350 or $300 by Spring 2016.

Good data.  I think it also shows that whichever console is losing in sales gets cut quicker.

PS2 taking 18 months for any change, while Xbox & Wii cut in 7 months.
Wii & X360 taking 34 months for a serious cut, while PS4 took a big cut in 12.

So I think XB1 will get cut quick and deep, because it's expensive and will be killed by the PS4 :P.

I doubt the xbox one is getting or will be killed by the ps4.

It will definitely be outsold by the ps4 (many people see a $100 difference and will automatically jump at the cheaper product), but I doubt the xbox one will sell poor enough to see a very quick and 'deep' price cut.  Titanfall and Halo 5 (and probably fable legends) will keep the boosts coming, not to mention the other exclusives.  
ICStats said:
selnor1983 said:
Its the best selling Xbox every week so far. Don't expect a cut anytime soon.

XB1 has sold great, but it's too soon to call it a trend.  The Xbox 360 was in much lower supply, taking 3 to 4 months to ship 1 million units to the US when it launched.  It's hard to tell if the XB1 has a better start thanks to it's appeal or thanks to it's stock availability.

The 360 launched with $299 Core and $399 Pro models, so I think we'll see the $499 XB1 have a harder time in the long run.

I think we'll get XB1 Core for $399 with no Kinect sooner rather than later.

February 2014

ICStats said:

I don't know if they will, but I think they should.

My prediction - XB1 without kinect with a bundled game for $399, 2014 holiday season. See you in 8 months.

If Sony can sell PS4 with a more powerful GPU and 8GB GDDR5 memory for $399, then MS should be able to get the Kinect-free XB1 below $399 soon.


Good call. You have a link to OP? I shall go give it a bump and ginve ya the praise for being right :D



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Fifaguy360 on 20 May 2014

Wow good job man. I thought MS was going to go all generation with their strategy of including kinect.

I wonder how they will address this at E3.



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Nicklesbe on 20 May 2014

 For the record everyone ICStats was absolutely right about there being a price cut. Another example of someone using logic and reason to see through BS and delusions to see the truth of the matter. He deserves a pat on the back for that timely prediction. Anyone that doubted him it is obvious now that you were all soundly and completely 

 

 

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ICStats on 20 May 2014
Nicklesbe said:

Good call. You have a link to OP? I shall go give it a bump and ginve ya the praise for being right :D

Dec thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=175219&page=1

Feb thread already got bumped http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178448&page=1

No need for praise.  MS has made it easy to be right.  What is funny is reading posts who were so wrong...



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Nicklesbe on 20 May 2014
ICStats said:
Nicklesbe said:

Good call. You have a link to OP? I shall go give it a bump and ginve ya the praise for being right :D

Dec thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=175219&page=1

Feb thread already got bumped http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178448&page=1

No need for praise.  MS has made it easy to be right.  What is funny is reading posts who were so wrong...

it was a good call never the less and ya deserve credit for it and a pat on the back. Good job again :D.



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Burek on 20 May 2014
Fifaguy360 said:

Wow good job man. I thought MS was going to go all generation with their strategy of including kinect.

I wonder how they will address this at E3.


My guess is that they won't even mention this at E3, that's why they announced earlier, to avoid all possible negativities then. They will just behave like Kinect never existed.

I predict exactly zero Kinect enabled games to be announced at E3 (except if they decide to show ones already done, like that Disney game).



J_Allard on 20 May 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
J_Allard said:
If it was such blatant bullshit and so easy to see through then why would someone deserve a pat on the back?


Because of the precision of which I called out Microsofts turnaround. I consider them to be highly predictable.

So then my point still stands. If they're highly predictable, then it's no big deal to predict something. Also, June is an obvious guess, E3 and all.

I would respect other posters predictions more. With you it's more of a situation where you constantly throw shit at the wall when it comes to MS, and eventually you will have to get something right.