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mine on 19 May 2014
Zekkyou said:
Some have even tried to tell me MK8 is the most graphically impressive game this gen.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great looking game, but lol...


At least there are MANY, MANY people within the stadiums in Mario Kart 8.

 

I can't see that realistic number of people in the streets of neihter WatchDogs nor Infamous Second Son. Both titles are set up in BIG cities. But both cities feel less "real" than WindWakers Port Monee. 

 

Why? Because neither XOne nor PS4 can handle the needed number of person to give a realistic "big city" feeling. Both a essentially beefed up last-gen consoles as both didn't integrate the latest tech. The reason for that is that both had to be cheap (CPU+GPU <= 50 US$...) as Microsoft and Sony knew that GPU and CPU technology is advancing too fast to recoup big subsidations.

 



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Zekkyou on 19 May 2014
mine said:

At least there are MANY, MANY people within the stadiums in Mario Kart 8.

I can't see that realistic number of people in the streets of neihter WatchDogs nor Infamous Second Son. Both titles are set up in BIG cities. But both cities feel less "real" than WindWakers Port Monee. 

Why? Because neither XOne nor PS4 can handle the needed number of person to give a realistic "big city" feeling. Both a essentially beefed up last-gen consoles as both didn't integrate the latest tech. The reason for that is that both had to be cheap (CPU+GPU <= 50 US$...) as Microsoft and Sony knew that GPU and CPU technology is advancing too fast to recoup big subsidations.



Zekkyou on 19 May 2014
the-pi-guy said:



Are there some more impressive pictures?  These aren't walking around and for the most part they seem to be in straight lines.  Not particularly impressive.  Consider the animations needed for each character in inFamous, and the fact that you aren't going to see so many people walking around the streets.  It's almost an apples to oranges comparison.  

You almost seem to be trying to convince people that hardware wise Wii U>PS4/One.  

I think MLB takes the prize for crowds, at least they are 3D





mine on 19 May 2014
the-pi-guy said:

Who is doing that?  I'd argue the Wii U won't appeal to everyone, but I don't see people saying it isn't the right thing to do.  Depends what you mean by next gen AI, Ai has been considered stagnant for a while now.  


This threads whole purpose is for this simple reason. There are big flaws within those numbers:

- no real informations about the Wii U are available

- not taking ESRAM into account

- GDDR has more latency than DDR

- the usable amount GPU performance depends also on the software stack and the latency introduced by that (guess why Killzone MP is not real 1080p...)

Seeing that the PS4 has a lead above the XOne and both are way more capable than a Wii U - don't need those numbers for that...

 

AI has made BIG progresses within the last years. Just take a look at NVidias GPU conference presentations to get a clue whats possible if you have enough compute resources available.

WatchDogs is already CPU constrained as those people "are more" than objects avoiding collisions. The problem is: x86 is well known and it won't get any faster when it comes down to raw processing power. There might be advances over time in graphics fidelity - but AI wise those can be only made if put into the cloud...

 

And if AI runs in the cloud and consoles are "fat clients" - then a Wii U is sufficient enough given that there are people who don't care about "realistic" graphics that much.

 



mine on 19 May 2014
the-pi-guy said:

Consider the animations needed for each character in inFamous, and the fact that you aren't going to see so many people walking around the streets.  It's almost an apples to oranges comparison.  

You almost seem to be trying to convince people that hardware wise Wii U>PS4/One.  

Nope. PS4 and XOne are much more capable. But both have already reached their limits.

I don't know if you were ever in a city with more then 5000 people. I don't know of any city which is that EMPTY as those in Infamous and WatchDogs.

I don't care how complicated the stuff behind the scenes is. If PS4 and Xone can't handle it - those games should using a different story background. 

WatchDogs is impressive - at night when it rains. That feels "right". But at day, sunshine being at a big place and only a handful of people: don't make me laugh.

Also: try to find a mall or "buying street" (I'm not a native english speaker) - nowhere to be found. In reality those places are crowded with people. 

Take a train in WatchDogs. Always empty. Take a look at the streets. Always empty. No rush hour. "Perfect world"...

 

When it comes to "belive" a game those things matter. Thats why WindWakers Port Monee triumphs over both. And thats a town in a over 10 year old game...

 



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fatslob-:O on 19 May 2014

mine said:
Who cares besides some "gamers" who need to reassure themselves that not having a Wii U is the "right thing" to do?

But reality can get funny - those touting and praising their XOne or PS4 for graphics fidelity will wake up soon as both are not capable to handle HD graphics AND next gen AI.

They already are ... 

Even more worse - within two years both will lag behind not only compared to entry level PCs but also compared to settop boxes.

FALSE! ... 

We all knew this from the beginning as neither Microsoft nor Sony are subsidizing as on previous generations. Fact is that if you'll get a good deal you can buy a PC with the same performance characteristics as a PS4 for the same money. The only downside is that the PCs box is much bigger and ugly.

FALSE! ... That will only be true 1 year later. 

Beginning with next year both NVidia and AMD will put GDDR On-Die !! This means 3-4 x Bandwidth increase. A never seen before jump in graphic fidelity. And both will introduce that within the middle-class segment of graphics cards.

FALSE! 

So a 399 US$ PC will then "run circles" around a PS4 and XOne. Expect Sony to have big losses as they can't cut costs that fast. Microsoft will give away free (!) licenses for their "Windows for Games" OS and monetarize on the build in App-Store.

FALSE!

Going back to present. I choose the Wii U because of the unique controllers and games which lead to unique experiences. No Xone, PS4 or PC can give me that now or in the coming years.

I wonder if the rest of the market thinks the same ... 

Thats why Nintendos Wii U will outlast Xone and PS4 by a far margin: the graphics are "good enough". I don't need self proclaimed "realistic" graphics as they don't do anything to gameplay.

If you mean outlast in terms of market presence the that is also very likely FALSE!

Nintendo will come up with new ways of "social" gameplay which will be only possible by using the GamePad.

Actually that would go to Bungie since Destiny is arguably the most social console game so far compared to what Nntendo is doing ... 

Big N will finally get it that every game NOT using or at least having an option to use the classic Wii controls didn't sell well... . So expect many future games to rely on WiiMote & Nunchuck again and Millions of Wii users "upgrading" to the Wii U.

You have much to learn it's not even funny ... You don't actually follow alot of high technology sites, now do you ? You could probably reduce spouting alot of drivel if you learned what was happening in the background. I suggest that you start looking at the semiconductor manufacturing industry to find some more info about the current situation ... 



curl-6 on 19 May 2014
Zekkyou said:
DonFerrari said:

But but but Mario game are artsy and that trumps visual /jk.

A lot of people here make comparison and technical observations without any knowledge.

Some have even tried to tell me MK8 is the most graphically impressive game this gen.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great looking game, but lol...

I have yet to see it on my own TV of course, but judging from online footage MK8 may very well be the most visually impressive 8th gen exclusive to me, when it comes out.

Obviously from a technical point of view it's not pushing as many jiggaflops as Ryse or Infamous, but the lighting, colours, and effects are just gorgeous, and 60fps with v-sync will be the icing on the cake.



amak11 on 19 May 2014
Porcupeth said:
Squeezol said:

And still no 1080p. Maybe it was just unreasonable for me to think that 1080p 30FPS would be a standard this gen, (except for Wii U of course) but whatever. I'd really rather have 1080p than extra effects and whatnot.


All Sony exclusives are 1080p. Don't blame PS4 for third party's incompetence :)

also not sure why you mention Wii U...several of its games are 720p/30fps, including exclusives.


That is false, many of it's games are 60fps including exclusives



mine on 19 May 2014
Zekkyou said:

I think MLB takes the prize for crowds, at least they are 3D


Yeah. You've found a game where Xone and PS4 do shine. But unfortunally both can't handle that number of persons if each of them would have their own personality or AI...

 



coolguy on 19 May 2014

Ps4 is a beast.



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