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S.T.A.G.E. said:

Sony adapted to the world without free online gaming in the west as Microsoft has manipulated it. Right or wrong I knew I had to give up complaining about it because Microsoft won that decsion and Sony made their decsions based on where people put their money. Microsoft adapted to the fact that they couldn't control PC gamers with paid online, but adapted to the fact that they could control them if they control the hub of community gaming, which is the Xbox. Sony learned that free wont get them anywhere in this competitive climate that Microsoft had ushered the gaming industry into from the PC realm. Footing the bill for online became the peoples problems rather than the third parties who make the game.

'I can predict Microsoft, because they are predictable. Sony is a company that you WE KNOW internally can handle itself, but we do not know what they will put out for better or worse. It doesn't matter if you're into their games or not. Microsoft has proven time and time again and even media outlets have spoken out about their weak internal conceptual and development process that they've had since joining the console industry in 2000/2001. They will continue to be weak until they create companies who can build games on their own.

Sony evolves internally and continues to create. Their methods of survival during the PS3 era differed highly from the PS2 era because they realized the third parties were not going to be enough to fend them off from Microsoft who was going to try to level the playing field. Microsoft tends to mostly buy out other peoples stuff, so that leads them to hinder internal growth. They can buy as many companies as they want, but either those companies put up or shut up and in fifteen good years of being in the industry (soon) they are still only as good as a less than a handful. This is why Microsoft paid Double Helix to handle Killer Instinct. This is why Microsoft pays Capcom for their Dead Rising game. This is why Microsoft pays to get the constant edge on Sony instead of doing it themselves. If they had the ability and creativity, their future would be less predictable than even Sony whom has put out numerous amounts of products for better or worse. I say its about time Sony started looking outward like MS like they are doing now and filling in gaps with third party as well.

Microsoft knows that the first impression is the best one, which is why you see such a massive amount of games being laid on the table from other people. Microsoft knows that people mostly by consoles for third parties, so they picked and chose from the third parties. Its Sony who has to adapt to Microsoft and everytime they do they get stronger as a creative entity. All Microsoft had to do to Sony from the start was take third party exclusivity from them to level the playing field for the 360's generation.

Take a look back at what the original Xbox was and compare it to what the 360 became later in its life.  Nobody can seriously argue that Microsoft doesn't change because it's very obvious that they did.  The fact that the 360 wasn't discontinued after 4 years completely destroys the argument you're trying to make which is basically "Microsoft is going to do because that's what they did last generation."  The reason being of course is that the situation was different with the 360 just like the situation is different with Xbox One as I have already pointed out.

Also you seem to completely ignore the fact that Microsoft has a new CEO and a new person in charge of Xbox and want to treat it like it has had the same people in the same positions since the original Xbox came out.  It's hard to imagine this won't lead to any changes since we've seen changes in the past when there were changes in leadership.

As for Sony being the only ones that can "evolve", I have to ask you "why?".  Is the culture shakeup that Satya is currently working on at Microsoft going to fail and if so can you explain to us why.  As for being completely able to handle themselves why did they get completely owned with Vita?  Seriously you're trying to argue that Sony is a company that is always evolving when they brought out the Vita?

Anyways I have had these kinds of arguments before...   There was the guy that argued with me that the 360 would be discontinued after 4 or 5 years at the most because that's "what they always do".  There was the guy that said it would always be the shooter box and no casual game would ever sell more than a million or two .  There was the guy that didn't believe Minecraft could sell more than a million or two because the console is just full of "dudebros".  Do you really want to be grouped with those guys?



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

There is an advantage that Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft. The actual ability to make games and actually help other companies to craft their own games. This is why it takes them time compared to Microsoft. Microsoft easily pads out their launches because they aren't making the most of their exclusive launch titles.

Again, this stuff you're going out of your way to praise everyone but MS for doing, you can include MS in. The difference is when MS "helps other companies to craft their own games" you don't call it that, you call it moneyhatting.



J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

There is an advantage that Sony and Nintendo have over Microsoft. The actual ability to make games and actually help other companies to craft their own games. This is why it takes them time compared to Microsoft. Microsoft easily pads out their launches because they aren't making the most of their exclusive launch titles.

Again, this stuff you're going out of your way to praise everyone but MS for doing, you can include MS in. The difference is when MS "helps other companies to craft their own games" you don't call it that, you call it moneyhatting.


Out of curiosity, did they help the developers of Dead Rising 3 make the game like TitanFall or was it meoneyhatting? I'm not suggesting that it was; I'm asking. There's a difference between funding a game and paying a developer not to make a port of game to another platform, which seems to be the case with MInecraft (time exclusive) and Plants vs Zombies fps. Or maybe I'm misinformed. 



naruball said:


Out of curiosity, did they help the developers of Dead Rising 3 make the game like TitanFall or was it meoneyhatting? I'm not suggesting that it was; I'm asking. There's a difference between funding a game and paying a developer not to make a port of game to another platform, which seems to be the case with MInecraft (time exclusive) and Plants vs Zombies fps. Or maybe I'm misinformed. 


Capcom Vancouver said they couldn't have made Dead Rising 3 without MS support, I think.



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Mensrea said:

I'm a pretty huge Nintendo fan. Their output is the majority of my gaming time. I also really enjoy a sony machine on the side. I absolutely loved the PS3 (Best 7th gen console for me) and I jumped at a chance to buy a PS4 when it dropped. Microsoft has never really interested me. Halo was always kinda fun at parties, but other than that, they never did it for me. I have no interest in gears, did not want to pay for online, and don't play call of duty. 

This gen though, their output has been better than Sony's. There are many more games that I would really like to play on their console. Dead Rising 3, Forza, Titanfall, PVZ Garden Warfare, Peggle 2. They all really intrest me. These gameswouldn't have forced me to buy an Xbox One, but they did make me a tad jealous. 

Today I saw the trailer for Sunset Overdrive, and I tell you, this might be the game to push me over the edge. It's everything I want in a game. An original, off the wall story, awesome asthetic, fun looking gameplay. It looks like an orgasm on a blu ray disc. 

On Sony's side we have...Last of Us remake? :/

In short, Kudos to Microsoft. They really went crazy at the start of the generation with the DRM thing, but dammit, I really want to play the games that they are making. It is a gaint nutpunch to the effort that Sony has put out so far. And the PS4's future is still pretty bare from what I've seen. 


Sunset Overdrive looks good but it resembles inFamous too much. I cant wait for it because we need more infamous styled games.

However, I dont think u should downplay ps4 lineup and overplay Xbone lineup for the rest of the year. There is Sunset Overdrive, but what else is there? Rumors say Quantum Break and a Halo 2 remake. On Sony's side, there is Driveclub, TLOU and The Order coming up.

I really wish Xbone had the diverse line up of the 360 in its first years, jrpg's, colorful platforms, Mass Effect, Gears 1, Bioshock. Sunset Overdrive is a start, hope more are announced at e3.



Wright said:
naruball said:


Out of curiosity, did they help the developers of Dead Rising 3 make the game like TitanFall or was it meoneyhatting? I'm not suggesting that it was; I'm asking. There's a difference between funding a game and paying a developer not to make a port of game to another platform, which seems to be the case with MInecraft (time exclusive) and Plants vs Zombies fps. Or maybe I'm misinformed. 


Capcom Vancouver said they couldn't have made Dead Rising 3 without MS support, I think.

That's great. Thanks! It's a bit surprising that both TitanFall (EA) and Dead Rising 3 (Capcom) developers didn't have funding from their own companies, but I guess they were ambitious projects that needed more funding than the companies were willing to risk giving them.



naruball said:
Wright said:


Capcom Vancouver said they couldn't have made Dead Rising 3 without MS support, I think.

That's great. Thanks! It's a bit surprising that both TitanFall (EA) and Dead Rising 3 (Capcom) developers didn't have funding from their own companies, but I guess they were ambitious projects that needed more funding than the companies were willing to risk giving them.


You never know with Capcom though. They always seem to be at the brink of bankrupcy, yet all their games do better than they were expecting. (Except Lost Planet 3 xD)



Didn't Microsoft also help Insomniac fund Sunset Overdrive?



naruball said:

That's great. Thanks! It's a bit surprising that both TitanFall (EA) and Dead Rising 3 (Capcom) developers didn't have funding from their own companies, but I guess they were ambitious projects that needed more funding than the companies were willing to risk giving them.

Am I wrong for thinking EA had more than enough money to make Titanfall on their own? How ambitious was it really? Just a multiplayer shooter made by what is supposed to be a relatively small team. Nothing really groundbreaking graphically or production wise.

It's a bit worrying to me if Capcom now needs Microsoft to make the games they want. Capcom is the one company whose support my console of choice has to have. Why are they near bankrupting? Games like Street Fighter and Resident evil sell better than most and Dragon's Dogma was seen as a success by them I thought. Moster Hunter is always a big hit. Even if they have less than stellar sellers like Lost Planet 3 that shouldn't run them into the ground.