BraLoD said:
Ellie drawing at the board behind the guy at 2:57 |
Sweet. I really like her as a character.
What did you think about Sony's Pre-TGS Conference? | |||
It was nice | 10 | 11.90% | |
Nothing that really caught my attention tbh | 25 | 29.76% | |
It was awesome! | 8 | 9.52% | |
Not Bad | 7 | 8.33% | |
I didn't like it | 11 | 13.10% | |
It was okay | 10 | 11.90% | |
Needed more LoD! | 4 | 4.76% | |
Decent | 2 | 2.38% | |
Other | 7 | 8.33% | |
Total: | 84 |
BraLoD said:
Ellie drawing at the board behind the guy at 2:57 |
Sweet. I really like her as a character.
BraLoD said:
I would be shocked if ND doesn't push her from now on. |
Joel was kinda old in TLOU. I bet Ellie will be the main protagonist in any future TLOUs with Joel being the secondary protagonist or NPC for maybe one more game. It would be cool if she ages throughout the games and when she gets a bit older, she saves some kid like Joel did for her and passes the torch on. I could her becoming more popular as a character than Lara croft ever was. Anyone that's play TLOU is likely attached on some level to Ellie and any new game could build on that.
BraLoD said:
About the spoiler, that's a kind of though I also have, but I sure would enjoy to see Ellie going solo, a lone wolf, a high skilled survivor. |
I understand where you guys are coming from, but if only for the sake of airing a different opinion: I don't want a sequel. I wish an IP could be succesful without sequels coming out. I feel like TLoU was a brilliant open-and-closed story on its own - and I know the ending wasn't "closed" in that it didn't necessarily tie up all the loose ends or showed their furutre together, but it did close the book on their story. I feel like that was the best ending they could have possibly created in the games context and creating a sequel would kind of take away from that. If you want me to expand on my interpretation of the ending I can do that.
I'm going to compare a hypothetical TLoU series to the Uncharted series. In Uncharted:
a) Each game being a standalone title yet contributing to the series (AKA they could have ended the series at the end of any of the games but could also logically extend it). The character arcs could have ended on any game but they also were left open to a variety of future possibilities. I feel like in TLoU 2, if including characters from the first game, it would have to be Ellie as an adult (which you suggested) but the conflict which she faces seems difficult to create - Naughty Dog wants to raise the bar with each game, so how could they raise the story-bar for Ellie above what she has already experienced with Joel? Especially in the state that the world was left in. Nate could always hunt a new treasure in a new exotic location with his still alive friends, but unless Ellie changes her mind and decides to donate her brain to science (which would tarnish TLoU) I'm not seeing much of her story continuation.
Reim's crazy fantheory: Ellie and the settlement are much like other small settlements dotting the landscapes worldwide. The world collapses around them. Many years later, a descendant of the OG survivor Ellie is born into this world of ghosted technology and overgrown foliage. Her name? Aloy.
BOOM HORIZON LOL. Thus, Uncharted 3 outbreak>TLoU>Horizon hahahaha
b) Uncharted's games were distinct. To clarify, one way a sequel could prosper in my eyes would be in a new location, in a slightly different time period, and with new characters. It goes without saying that the tech and gameplay elements would evolve, but for the setting and characters to evolve I think you have to ditch Ellie and the USA.
I can craft a good scenario in my head involving Ellie as an adult, but frankly I think it is to meager in scope to take the mainstage. There isn't much you could cover that wouldn't tarnish the 1st game or retread old ground monotonously. Perhaps a DLC or her taking a backseat role (like a Tess role) to "pass the torch" would be a better idea. I dislike the Lara Croft comparison because Lara is an action hero (whom they are now trying to make more gritty I admit but I mean come on - she is close to death like 100 times in 2013 reboot and always escapes, while blazing through 1000000 ghost-pirate things. In the world of TLoU that just does not mesh. An extension of winter chapter Ellie I could definitely see (*cough* Left Behind) but the realism of TLoU...... I just don't see her being like Lara AKA big-screen badass heroine
Conclusion: Ellie is done on the main stage IMO. That being said if they were planning a series from day 1 (of course a sequel was 100% a possilibility they threw around) I doubt I'll get my wish
Yes I'm hyped for the new ratchet.
Bought the star wars season pass today. Really enjoying the first dlc pack plus the last few free updates too.
BraLoD said:
About the spoiler, that's a kind of though I also have, but I sure would enjoy to see Ellie going solo, a lone wolf, a high skilled survivor. |
I agree. I look forward to what they do with the series.
ReimTime said:
I understand where you guys are coming from, but if only for the sake of airing a different opinion: I don't want a sequel. I wish an IP could be succesful without sequels coming out. I feel like TLoU was a brilliant open-and-closed story on its own - and I know the ending wasn't "closed" in that it didn't necessarily tie up all the loose ends or showed their furutre together, but it did close the book on their story. I feel like that was the best ending they could have possibly created in the games context and creating a sequel would kind of take away from that. If you want me to expand on my interpretation of the ending I can do that. I'm going to compare a hypothetical TLoU series to the Uncharted series. In Uncharted: a) Each game being a standalone title yet contributing to the series (AKA they could have ended the series at the end of any of the games but could also logically extend it). The character arcs could have ended on any game but they also were left open to a variety of future possibilities. I feel like in TLoU 2, if including characters from the first game, it would have to be Ellie as an adult (which you suggested) but the conflict which she faces seems difficult to create - Naughty Dog wants to raise the bar with each game, so how could they raise the story-bar for Ellie above what she has already experienced with Joel? Especially in the state that the world was left in. Nate could always hunt a new treasure in a new exotic location with his still alive friends, but unless Ellie changes her mind and decides to donate her brain to science (which would tarnish TLoU) I'm not seeing much of her story continuation. Reim's crazy fantheory: Ellie and the settlement are much like other small settlements dotting the landscapes worldwide. The world collapses around them. Many years later, a descendant of the OG survivor Ellie is born into this world of ghosted technology and overgrown foliage. Her name? Aloy. BOOM HORIZON LOL. Thus, Uncharted 3 outbreak>TLoU>Horizon hahahaha b) Uncharted's games were distinct. To clarify, one way a sequel could prosper in my eyes would be in a new location, in a slightly different time period, and with new characters. It goes without saying that the tech and gameplay elements would evolve, but for the setting and characters to evolve I think you have to ditch Ellie and the USA. I can craft a good scenario in my head involving Ellie as an adult, but frankly I think it is to meager in scope to take the mainstage. There isn't much you could cover that wouldn't tarnish the 1st game or retread old ground monotonously. Perhaps a DLC or her taking a backseat role (like a Tess role) to "pass the torch" would be a better idea. I dislike the Lara Croft comparison because Lara is an action hero (whom they are now trying to make more gritty I admit but I mean come on - she is close to death like 100 times in 2013 reboot and always escapes, while blazing through 1000000 ghost-pirate things. In the world of TLoU that just does not mesh. An extension of winter chapter Ellie I could definitely see (*cough* Left Behind) but the realism of TLoU...... I just don't see her being like Lara AKA big-screen badass heroine
Conclusion: Ellie is done on the main stage IMO. That being said if they were planning a series from day 1 (of course a sequel was 100% a possilibility they threw around) I doubt I'll get my wish
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There's not another female protagonist (that I'm aware of) to compare Ellie to in terms of success or popularity of the character. Tomb raider/Lara Croft is the tip of the pyramid with games that I could see Ellie surviving in a dark world that seems like it's against her while she's trying to live her life/befriending new bonds and forming other bonds.
TLOU has plenty of potential as a series because Ellie is very young and they can easily have us sitting right by her as she survives and grows older throughout the games. The world could get better, get worse or stay the same. There's many options with what path they could take her down story wise.
The Technomancer looks interesting. Heard nothing about it but I saw it on release schedule and took a look at it. It's very different for an RPG.
After the last Uncharted trailer, I told myself not to watch more trailers until the game releases. That's how I know I'm hyped for this game.