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Forums - Microsoft - COD: AW trailer on Xbox One=800P? (update: now ~840P)

thismeintiel on 03 May 2014
Zekkyou said:
thismeintiel said:

No, if you watch the vid from that E3, they said pretty much, "We feel that this is what PS3 gamers will have to look forward to."  They obviously shot too high, and rightfully got some heat for it.  Unfortunately, more heat than MS did for fooling gamers at last E3.  Not sure how you can not know about that if you were around here following their reveals. 

The Ryse and Forza (I think Dead Rising 3, as well) demos they were promoting at, and after, E3 were all running on PCs with significantly greater specs than the One, hence those games got significant downgrades before launch.  Forza most notably.  These WERE NOT target vids.  These were actual playable demos that were being promoted as what the final product would look like.  Heck, the fake Forza demo was shown on Jimmy Fallon live.

Agreed 100% on Forza 5, but what were the downgrades in Ryse and DR3? (I see people mention them quite often). Both could certainly have done with some small downgrades to keep the frame rate above 30, but other than the change to the method used to create the Ryse's characters i can't think of any noticeable changes compared to the final product.

Can't say much about DR3 though. The gameplay I've seen doesn't appear any different from the footage i remember seeing at E3, but i haven't taken much of an interest in it so i could be totally wrong on that.

It's interesting you bring up that the Forza 5 stuff was playable by the way. I'd be curious to know which people think is worse, a completely BS trailer (Killzone's E3 2005 one), or a smaller visual lie that's being advertised as real playable gameplay.

(On a side note, we should start wrapping these conversations off. I just realized what thread this is and we are going very off topic >.<)

If I remember correctly, Dead Rising and Ryse had much better framerates at E3.  I think there was some smaller visual downgrades to DR3, but nothing major (might be wrong on this one).  Ryse also got a significant downgrade in poly count. And not sure if the E3 demo of Ryse had poly clipping, case the retail did it occasionally.  And I'm quite certain the E3 demos for all 3 were actually at 1080p.

I agree with DonFerrari on this one.  What Sony had was a target render vid.  One that was shown over a year before the PS3 launched.  The worst offender in the Sony vid was Motorstorm, while Killzone 2 did come quite close in the final product.  And Resistance actually did use in game footage, so big ups for that. 

However, when it was time for the press and gamers to get their hands on the actual games in the form of previews and demos, Sony didn't commit false advertising by creating fake previews/demos running on better HW than the PS3, and then kept promoting those demos until a month or so before launch.  They had the real games, on the real HW.  This is why it astounds me that MS got away with it (minus their poor sales).  But, in gaming journalism, I guess money talks.



 

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tuscaniman99 on 03 May 2014
shikamaru317 said:
tuscaniman99 said:
Well since we are 6 months from launch if it is 840p now then the final version should be 900p.

Maybe even more than 900p, we've heard about an incoming SDK which is supposed to enable tiled resources which several developers have said should allow them to hit 1080p on Xbox One

Even if true I doubt that will affect any games this year because they are in finishing touches at this point. Halo 5 I think will the first true game to take advantage of tiled resources and DX12. I expect that game to be amazing looking. I do think Quantum Break should look pretty amazing as well and 30fps will help it too.



tuscaniman99 on 03 May 2014
thismeintiel said:
fallen said:

DC looks very average anyway and that at only 30 FPS. Same for Infamous, Crysis 2 on my PC looked better several years ago.

Lets not forget 2005 when Sony made entire fake videos of Killzone, Motorstorm etc and blatantly said they were real, and yet got a pass.

What "fake demos" did MS put out? Link?

 

Great now Imma have to update the OP cause Eurogamer is saying Advanced Warfare X1 trailer is 882P LOL.

No, if you watch the vid from that E3, they said pretty much, "We feel that this is what PS3 gamers will have to look forward to."  They obviously shot too high, and rightfully got some heat for it.  Unfortunately, more heat than MS did for fooling gamers at last E3.  Not sure how you can not know about that if you were around here following their reveals. 

The Ryse and Forza (I think Dead Rising 3, as well) demos they were promoting at, and after, E3 were all running on PCs with significantly greater specs than the One, hence those games got significant downgrades before launch.  Forza most notably.  These WERE NOT target vids.  These were actual playable demos that were being promoted as what the final product would look like.  Heck, the fake Forza demo was shown on Jimmy Fallon live.

Ryse looks better than the E3 reveal.



RJ_Sizzle on 03 May 2014

Getting higher. Can we reach 900? This is an exciting race.



tuscaniman99 on 03 May 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
thismeintiel said:

@ OP

I suppose this is going to add to resolution gate when it launches. Not really a big deal, now, just a constant reminder that MS is overcharging for weaker HW. Not sure why they didn't just leave the price at $450 after Titanfall released. I guess they just want to make a bigger splash out of the cut at E3. 


You say they're overcharging, I say Kinect makes the entry fee too high. The X1 is a powerful machine and still worthy of $399.

If MS wants to move a lot of hardware this holiday here's the solution. Sell the X1 without Kinect and maybe throw in a copy of CoD: AW for $399.

$349 without Kinect / $449 with Kinect or $399 with Kinect if they decide to keep Kinect bundled. I think those are the best solutions if they want to win back NA.



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DonFerrari on 03 May 2014

This is an auction, who will give it the better pixel count?



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Heckon on 03 May 2014

899,7P by release. Could be day one patch to reach it though...

Joke aside, every release/new game info on xb are entertaining as heck. I'm sure 50% of forums activities are xb res related. I'm sure we're not done with this until a couple year when dev can finally pull some constant 1080p...



RIP ps3, xbox360.

welcome home ps4 and X1

endimion on 04 May 2014

COD is so last Gen anyway :p