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badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:

It was to the NAACP of LA.  Who were going to give him a lifetime achivement award!

How they didn't do a google search first I'll never know.

Yeah, it's almost like all they care about is money or something.


Shit.... only caring about money is one thing... but using some common sense for it is another.

Don't want to get your neck broken going for the cheese.



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badgenome said:

It is as funny as it is sickening. When he was fined for refusing to rent to black tenants because they "stink and attract vermin", the NBA didn't give a fuck, the players didn't give a fuck, and the NAACP definitely didn't give a fuck. But when he's caught asking his girlfriend not to take pictures with Magic Johnson, well, that's a national crisis.

Kareem wrote a pretty good article on what you're talking about.

And yes, Sterling was about to get his SECOND lifetime achievement award from the NAACP. Truth is in fact stranger than fiction.



SocialistSlayer said:

well democrats are usually always forgiven for their racism, and everything is brushed under the rug. And Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, know that in their heart they arent racist. And its really not surprising that the NAALCP was about to give him an award, they are an incredibly racist organization.

I don't think people like Donald Sterling are really Democrats (though he seems to have primarily been a Democrat donor) or Republicans (though he's been a registered Republican for over a decade). They're just non-ideological fuckhead elites whose dick everyone sucks until something like this happens, at which point those same people fall all over each other trying to condemn him the loudest and most stupidly.



Smeags said:

Kareem wrote a pretty good article on what you're talking about.

And yes, Sterling was about to get his SECOND lifetime achievement award from the NAACP. Truth is in fact stranger than fiction.

Yeah, that article was the best thing he's done since Airplane.

Kasz216 said:

Shit.... only caring about money is one thing... but using some common sense for it is another.

Don't want to get your neck broken going for the cheese.

The problem with being able to get by for decades on just calling everything you don't like racist is that it tends to make you not very smart.



Kasz216 said:
2.5 Million is chump change to Donald Sterling.  He's worth a couple billion.

 I'm sure he'll pay that.  Even if he didn't, as long as the court gives him a stay before the time period is up, it wouldn't count as far as i know.

Yes, I'm well aware 2.5 million is chump change, however, if Sterling decides to fight it, I don't see why he would.

Beyond that, why would the court give him a stay?  Courts rarely want to get involve in Sports leagues already agreed upon contracts/constitutions.  It's a club..they voted you in, there shouldn't be any problem with voting him out.



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badgenome said:
Well, that's interesting...

If you can be suspended from owning something, do you in fact own it?

If he's banned for life, anyway, what motive is there for him to pay this fine?

Going forward, will players who say sexist or homophobic things face a lifetime ban?


Of course they will. This is a serious issue. Its not something minor like stealing, selling ,owning and doing illegal drugs and firemarms, or having rape/murder accusations, every professional athlete can get away with that shit. But THIS, its a whole other story



mornelithe said:
Kasz216 said:
2.5 Million is chump change to Donald Sterling.  He's worth a couple billion.

 I'm sure he'll pay that.  Even if he didn't, as long as the court gives him a stay before the time period is up, it wouldn't count as far as i know.

Yes, I'm well aware 2.5 million is chump change, however, if Sterling decides to fight it, I don't see why he would.

Beyond that, why would the court give him a stay?  Courts rarely want to get involve in Sports leagues already agreed upon contracts/constitutions.  It's a club..they voted you in, there shouldn't be any problem with voting him out.

Well, the courts did get involved with the whole steroid scandal in baseball a few years back.  

I agree with what Mark Cuban said about the slippery slope that forcing Sterling to sell the team would cause.  A person has the right to be a moron or a bigot.  What he says in the privacy of his own home is his own business.  If the NBA sets this precendance to kick him out because of his personal beliefs, then what's next?  Another owner gets kicked out when he was secret taped saying he's against gay marriage?  If the NBA supports diversity, they should support the diversity of personal beliefs that exist in this country as well.  Otherwise they're no different than a totalitarian or communist government.  It's one thing if he had made these statements publicly at a press conference representing the Clippers organization, but to condemn him for something he said in private seems to be highly hypocritical for what the NBA is trying to promote.  



mornelithe said:
Kasz216 said:
2.5 Million is chump change to Donald Sterling.  He's worth a couple billion.

 I'm sure he'll pay that.  Even if he didn't, as long as the court gives him a stay before the time period is up, it wouldn't count as far as i know.

Yes, I'm well aware 2.5 million is chump change, however, if Sterling decides to fight it, I don't see why he would.

Beyond that, why would the court give him a stay?  Courts rarely want to get involve in Sports leagues already agreed upon contracts/constitutions.  It's a club..they voted you in, there shouldn't be any problem with voting him out.


Because it's very standard legal precedence.  If you are fighting a fine like that, generally any penalty for not paying that fine is on hold.  Think about if that wasn't the case...

If your just an average guy and you sign a contract like that, they could fine you basically fine you for all the money you have.  Making it impossible for you to even put up a legal defense.

It'd be carte blanche for companies to ruin ANYBODY for any reason because nobody would ever have the resources to fight huge unreasonable fines.

 

Hell, look at the Bundy Ranch thing.  Your aware of that.  It took the feds forever to act, specifically because he kept taking them to court, meaning their fines kept getting delayed until all legal recource was exhuasted.



jacks81x said:
mornelithe said:
Kasz216 said:
2.5 Million is chump change to Donald Sterling.  He's worth a couple billion.

 I'm sure he'll pay that.  Even if he didn't, as long as the court gives him a stay before the time period is up, it wouldn't count as far as i know.

Yes, I'm well aware 2.5 million is chump change, however, if Sterling decides to fight it, I don't see why he would.

Beyond that, why would the court give him a stay?  Courts rarely want to get involve in Sports leagues already agreed upon contracts/constitutions.  It's a club..they voted you in, there shouldn't be any problem with voting him out.

Well, the courts did get involved with the whole steroid scandal in baseball a few years back.  

I agree with what Mark Cuban said about the slippery slope that forcing Sterling to sell the team would cause.  A person has the right to be a moron or a bigot.  What he says in the privacy of his own home is his own business.  If the NBA sets this precendance to kick him out because of his personal beliefs, then what's next?  Another owner gets kicked out when he was secret taped saying he's against gay marriage?  If the NBA supports diversity, they should support the diversity of personal beliefs that exist in this country as well.  Otherwise they're no different than a totalitarian or communist government.  It's one thing if he had made these statements publicly at a press conference representing the Clippers organization, but to condemn him for something he said in private seems to be highly hypocritical for what the NBA is trying to promote.  

That's precisely why it takes a 3/4 super majority vote by the owners, in order to do it.  Because it's meant to be a last resort.  There are plenty of examples where people say stuff or do things that end up reaching the public sphere, and gets them fired.  The woman who took a picture of herself flipping off the sign for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, while on a business trip, got fired.  Or that woman who made some twitter remark about Africa and HIV (while on her way to Africa), who got fired before she even got off the plane.

It's nothing new, we've seen people get fired for much less egregious actions.  Just hasn't been done with an owner before.   Additionally, this wasn't a secret taping, recheck the facts.  Sterling knew he was being recorded.  That he didn't have firm control over those tapes is his fault, not the leagues, not the clippers, not the media.  

We may not think it's ok for companies to fire an employee or a league to fire an employee for their personal beliefs, but, that's entirely up to the company.  Companies usually don't, unless you allow your embarassing personal information to be leaked into the public sphere.  Then the company has to take action, because it now starts effecting their image bottom dollar, and it had already begun for the Clippers org.  Given that the Clippers lost like 5 big sponsors, simultaneously, it shouldn't be difficult at all to prove in court that his comments were detrimental to the NBA.  So, provided Silver and the ownership group has the 75%+ in hand, I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to force him out.

As far as setting a precedent, it seems part of big business already to me.  Anything that can tarnish, hurt, harm, or ruin your companies reputation, make sponsors/investors hesistent to join in, and make fans stop watching etc... is actionable. 

Kasz216 said:
Because it's very standard legal precedence.  If you are fighting a fine like that, generally any penalty for not paying that fine is on hold.  Think about if that wasn't the case...

If your just an average guy and you sign a contract like that, they could fine you basically fine you for all the money you have.  Making it impossible for you to even put up a legal defense.

It'd be carte blanche for companies to ruin ANYBODY for any reason because nobody would ever have the resources to fight huge unreasonable fines.

 

Hell, look at the Bundy Ranch thing.  Your aware of that.  It took the feds forever to act, specifically because he kept taking them to court, meaning their fines kept getting delayed until all legal recource was exhuasted.

Ok, I understand what you're saying about the fine. 

Any average person can get thrown out of a private club, it happens all the time, and yes, for making the club look bad, or behaving in a manner that clashes with the clubs image etc...  I also don't see it as very likely that the contracts your average joe signs, bare any resemblance to signing onto the NBA Constitution.  Most contracts that I've ever signed don't have sections telling me that a Commissioner has the authority to fine me up to 2.5 million dollars, and any penalty he deems fit for any situation not specifically mentioned in the by-laws (Most average people aren't voted in by the owners of the company either).

The Bundy Ranch thing, is the Government's case against a person.  This is a Private entities action against one of it's members, that would then be that member suing the private entity.  Look at how fast it took the courts to deal with A-Rods situation.  Relatively speaking, that was lightyears ahead of Bundy's case.  I would think that the court getting too involved would set an even bigger precedent, don't you think?



mornelithe said:

As far as setting a precedent, it seems part of big business already to me.  Anything that can tarnish, hurt, harm, or ruin your companies reputation, make sponsors/investors hesistent to join in, and make fans stop watching etc... is actionable.  


That's fine.  Then don't be hypocrites about it.  Don't stand up and claim that you support diversity and make this into a moral social issue when it's really just about money.